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 Post subject: D3000 vs D80
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:49 am 
I am not sure if anyone here read my intro thread but I am looking to replace a stolen D80 and was looking at a Refurb D3000 from B&h. I am still fairly new at photography but I was getting to know my way around a camera fairly well.

I am on a tight budget ($550) so refurb is mostly likely the way I am going to have to go. My D80 kit came with two lenses (18-55mm vr and 55-200mm vr). and I have found both of them as refurbs on B&H.

My main concern is I wont be as happy with the D3000 after spending a few months on my D80. I say as happy because it has drove me nuts not having a camera over the last year.

Will the D3000 have the same capabilities as the D80 had or should I give up a lens and go with a refurbished D5000.

I will mostly be taking photos of my three dogs and nature shots so I am not sure if the 55-200mm VR lens will be necessary but I did find many uses for it on my D80 especially keeping up with running dogs.

Any insight would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:05 am 
My friend has a D3000 and I have a D80, I find it quite frustrating to use the D3000 because it is a less advanced camera in general and the ease of access to important functions and ergonomics of the D80 are superior. I think the biggest advantage of the D3000 is its beginner friendliness and this doesn't amount to much because you started off on a more advanced camera.

The D3000 has 3d tracking and active D-lighting over the D80. The D3000 has the same IQ as the D80 but falls short in other areas IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:18 am 
I know the D80 is a more advanced camera, but I am still very much a novice when it comes to using a dslr.

If the D3000 comes within 85-90% of the capability of the D80 I am sure I could live with. I have also been looking into the, dare I say it here, a refurb Canon Rebel Xs with a 18-55mm is lens and a new 55-250mm is for $70 more But that puts me over budget by $50 and since I started on a Nikon I am a bit brand myopic and I am not sure I would be happy with it.

I guess the answers I am really looking for are

A. Is the D3000 almost as good as my previous D80?

B. Would I be better off going with a refurbished Rebel xs with the 18-55mm IS lens and the new 55-250mm IS lens for $70 more

C. or spend a bit more and get the D5000 and 1 lens.

If I go route C I am not sure If I should buy the 18-55mm vr lens or the 55-200mm lens. arg so many questions, such a small budget to work with. I can probably wiggle at most $650.

I am looking at refurbished items from reputable companies. (Nikon equip from B&H and Canon from Adorama)


Any advice would be appreciated. For reading through the rubbish and trying to decipher what I am trying to say. I offer you all a cookie

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:40 am 
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Hello!

Sorry to hear that your D80 was stolen, I would hate to have a camera stolen from me! :(

Here are my answers to your questions:

A) Yes, it would be almost as good, although keep in mind that the D80 is certainly a more advanced camera. Considering that you've used the D80 before, you would already know how to use it if it was purchased. Also, you would probably find the D3000's UI slow to navigate through (Coming from a D80), and the guide mode would be of no use to you. Considering that the cameras both have similar sensors, the IQ would be relatively similar.

B) If you went for the XS, remember that your current Nikkor lens would be of no use to you anymore. Try the three cameras out, and if you like the feel of the Canon better, then it certainly would be the better choice.

C) The D5000 is a wonderful camera, and it shares the advanced sensor of the D90 and D300s. It will add features such as video mode and live view that may be important to you as well. If you combine the D5000 with the Nikkor 35mm F1.8 lens, you'll have a wonderful combo that could get you some great images.

I personally am not a fan of kit lenses, and I would prefer a good fast prime any day, but that's just me and my opinion. Another good lens option would be the Nikkor 50mm F1.8 AF lens, it's a fast prime that should give you about an 80mm range, plus it's cheaper than the kit lenses. Although remember that it would only auto focus if you purchased the D80, considering that the D3000 and the D5000 don't offer a built in AF motor, so you would only do manual focusing.

By the way, thank you for the cookie. It was delicious, especially with the glass of milk that I drank it with!

-Evan

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:42 am 
Even if you're a novice, if you've used the D80, you wouldn't gain anything by going with the D3000 unless you found the D80 particularly difficult to use. Don't forget that the D80 has a bigger, brighter viewfinder and a much larger body that is more comfortable for most people.

A) Yes, it is about 90% as good as a photographic tool, you could also say the D80 is 90% as good as the D200. The D3000 definitely has all the basics covered. The D80 is just the better camera to use once you know your way around all the functions. The D80 and D5000 gain smaller non-essential features like bracketing. You'll need to decide if you need all of those smaller things.

B) Unless you are disappointed with the Nikon system or find the Canon system particularly attractive at this point of time, why switch for no good reason? Having said that, I think Canon has picked a nice mid-point between the D80/D90 and the simplified beginner friendliness of the D3000.

C) The D5000 gives you quite a big increase in quality. That aside, it has live view, video, and the (smaller) articulating screen over the D3000. Are those things worth it to you? If you have no lenses at the moment, don't get the 55-200 as your only lens unless you shoot exclusively at those focal lengths. I think it would be hugely limiting for all but the most specialised photographers.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:51 am 
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EvanK wrote:
it's a fast prime that should give you about an 80mm range

DX is about 1.5 times smaller than Full Frame, so 50 x 1.5 = 75mm.

But I agree on the 35/1.8, if going with one lens, the 35mm might me more fun to have, unless you find yourself shooting wider (18-35mm) or longer (35-55mm) most of the time.

As for which camera to pick, try and holding them, maybe just touching them will already make up your mind for you.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:08 am 
If it is of any help I bought my D80 second-hand and I find I use it more than my D40 or D300. I would stick with what you are used to and if you can find a used 18-105VR lens then go with that. It will give you good focal length coverage and less hassle than changing lenses. The current entry-level Nikons are not a great step-up from the D80 IMHO in terms of image quality they just add a few features like live view and an articulated LCD screen. As a previous poster ponted out they don't have built in focussing motors so if you will need to buy AFS lenses or learn to focus manually.
I hope you find what you are looking for and if you have not done so in the past, insure your gear in the future!.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:37 pm 
Well I appreciate the responses. My camera and other things that were stolen were insured but my oldest dog was not. Unfortunately he was hurt in the break in. As a result the insurance money went to cover the cost of his surgeries and recovery. Thats all in the past now and I can finally look into replacing the things I lost.

I have been looking for a D80 at a reasonable price but finding one has been kind of a pain.I am not in a hurry to purchase anything right away but I would like to find something by the end of January. If any one has any tips on food prices for new or used gear let me know.


I try to stay away from Ebay anymore since a lot of it's users have turned into scam artists. I know from time to time though you can find a great deal on items so I have included it in my search query but nothing has quite grabbed my eye.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:03 pm 
I paid £225 for my used D80 about 12 months ago so they may be even cheaper now. I agree E-Bay can be risky so if you have any camera stores in your area see if they have any re-con models in stock. Otherwise you may try an advert in the for sale & wanted ads in your local press. A lot of D80's were sold. It was a very popular model so there should be quite a few about being sold by people upgrading to a more modern camera.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:12 am 
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What about even a second hand D200? It has the same sensor as the D80, plus it adds more features such as a mag-alloy body, more external controls, larger top display, CF card slot, better shutter button, etc. The list goes on and on! Another big advantage of the D200 is the fast that it will meter with any old AI or AI-S lens that you have, unlike the D80. The advantage of the AI and AI-S lenses is that they sell much cheaper than newer AF-S lenses, although keep in mind that there won't be any AF capabilities.

-Evan

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My D90 has a few control enhancements over the D40, but basically I use them interchangeably. In all practical terms, picture quality is similar and, if you have good software, practically identical.

Therefore, the D3000 would be a fine choice, as would any Nikon DSLR of recent times.

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 Post subject: my € 0.02
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:52 am 
well i feel sorry to hear that someone stole your D80

I have looked at the D3000 (now succeeded by the D3100) but found them to be too small .

there are still a lot of D80's used on the market , i would advice KEH or B&H as options after that craigslist but remeber most sellers there are trying to rip you off

i advice to keep looking fot a D80 since you know what i can do.
if you need to shoot buy a good but not too expensive p&s camera for the time being.


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