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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:10 pm 
Hi,

I am an aviation photographer, I go to Airshows, airports and such to shoot aircraft and then upload my photos to specialist websites.

I have been shooting with a Pansonic DMC-FZ7, but I now want to upgrade to a DSLR. A weekend of research has left me in more indesisive than when I started. I have decided that my budget has allowed me to get something along the lines of a D40x or Canon 400d.

I feel like the canon should be the camera for me, but I have one major thing holding me back. My dad uses a D50 and has offered to split costs on lenses and accessories.

I have been told that lenses meen just as much to the overall quality of the picture as the bodies, but I'm clinging to the Canon because of the features which would suit my style of photography more than those of the Nikon.

Please, help me decide which DSLR I should purchase, I'm tearing my hair out with this choice!

Thanks in advance,

Dan.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:42 pm 
My experience is that lens matters more to the overall quality of the picture than camera. As an example bokeh (out of focus effect), depth of field, sharpness and at a certain degree color and contrast is created by the lens (well, sharpness is also depending on the anti-aliasing filter on the camera but mainly by the lens).

AF speed might be important for aviation photography but I guess lens speed in terms of f-stop matters much here aswell to avoid motion blur.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:45 pm 
Well if your dad is gonna give you money, I would buy a D80 body and see what lens you can then get.

But I would go for the NIKKON over the D400. But watch the video tour on this site for more on how they handle etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:34 pm 
It's the video tours that have convinced me the canon is the better.

And buying a larger lens right now wouldn't be part of the option, so it might eb that I have to stay with the worse camera for 6-9 months, which is something I'd rather not do.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:45 am 
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You mention the Canon has features which better-suit your style of photography - which features are these? The 9-point AF may be better for tracking moving subjects, but remember the Canon's anti-dust is far from infallible!

Ultimately though if you're on a tight budget, the offer to share the cost of lenses and accessories is VERY tempting!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:39 pm 
I know, if i hadn't have been offered this, I probably would have the canon sitting in front of me right now, the canon just seemed the better camera in almost every way. From what I heard about the D40x, it appears to be a 6MP low end DSLR with 10MP sensor, where as the 400D has the features you'd expect from a 10MP camera.
The features I'm talking about is the 9 point AF, the anti-dust system (although i know this isn't perfect), and the much easier access to menu's which is unbeleivably important when your subject is travelling at high speeds.

Is the D80 the next Nikon up? If so, how much more would I need to pay for that? And does it have better features suited to my style of photography?

Thanks again,
Dan.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:04 am 
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Hi Dan, the D80 is a really nice step up from the D40x and better in many respects than the Canon 400D / XTi.

See our 10 Megapixel Group test for comparisons and also up-to-date pricing in the US and UK at the bottom of each page.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:09 pm 
Yep I would be Nikkon D80 territory, I love the look of the camera. Have you looked at the E-510 maybe body only and a pro lens!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:18 am 
My dad tells me he still has his 18-70mm, which came standard with his D50. The D80 (body only) is only about £70 more than the 400D with the 18-55, so perhaps the D80 is a possibilty. Having the 18-70 would do me for a couple of months (I've still got my old ultra-zoom for times i need long zoom) until I can afford to split the cost of a lens with my dad.
I'll try out the cameras tommorow in Jessops, and see which one feels best.

Another question, are there any good long lenses (300/400mm) for the Canon/Nikon that you could reccomend to someone who could be on a low budget?

Thanks again.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:09 am 
I would soooo save and get a D80 never mind the lens you can geta better option later its the body thats important to get right!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:36 pm 
Went to Jessops today to try out the camera's for myself.

The d40x and D400 just felt rather small, and not much of a step up from my ultra-zoom.

The D80 really stood out for me, the sales person managed to convert me (Yes, i know, he converted me to the more expensive camera).

The D80's specs just seemed to stand in a different class to the 400D's, and it felt like I was holding a real peice of kit.

Although I liek the D400, at only ~£70 extra the D80 appears to have the edge.

I'm not making the purchase until November, so I've still got plenty of thinking time and still don't know which camera I'll go for.


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Personally, Go for the D80!

I have no one to split the cost of lenses and stuff with, so I'm going for the 400D.

Basically you are getting the same value as the 400D anyway.

D80 is £70 more than the 400D w/ 18-55mm

I would personally say the 18-70mm is worth the £70! So its basically the same price if you look at it that way, so you are actually gaining long and short term.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:29 pm 
It's actually £70 extra body only, you'll need to pay a little more for the lens to be thrown in.


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£70 for the 18-55 for the 400D or £70 for your dad lol?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:03 pm 
The Nikon D80 body costs about £70 more than the 400D with the 18-55. But my dad still has the spare 18-70 he got with his D50, which he will probably let me use until I buy a bigger lens.


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