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 Post subject: I need some help.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:47 pm 
I know I am not getting my new camera for like another couple months but I am having the hardest time deciding wether to get a D200 body or a D80 body w/mb-d80/and maybe a Sigma 10-20mm for the same price. And there here comes the D300 and so I am not sure I should just save up and get that instead, but I would be happy with a D200 so I am not sure I would wait longer for the D300.


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Nathan, what do you want from your camera?

If you have a big budget and want the best, then get the D300, but if your budget's tight, you have to ask yourself...

...do I need 6fps continuous shooting?

...do I need a PC sync port for external lighting?

...do I need a 3in VGA screen?

...do I need Livew View?

And so on.

The D300 sure is a nice looking camera, but do you personally need the extra features or - like the rest of us - do you just want them!

The D80 is still a superb camera and if going for the D200 or D300 would mean compromising your optics, then I'd stick with the D80. If however you can afford a D200 / D300 and the lenses you want, then it's a serious option.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:12 am 
well the only things on the D300 which really interest me are:

-the 51-point focus system

-3in. screen(not that important though)

-higher res.

I would however much prefer getting a D200 w/MB-200 for the same price, thing is I have probably the smallest budget on this forum...no income what-so-ever. I have to save up for awhile to get a new body, the only reason I question the D80 is that is it enough of an upgrade, I want a real upgrade that will last me for awhile and I am not sure the D80 is exactly that, I fell that if I were to buy it I would want to upgrade to soon. My friend told me that I should skip out on the D80 and go straight for the D200, and I think I can trust his judgement having purchsed the D40/80/and now he is using a D200. So the D300 is out and it is between the D80 and D200...this is hard.


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Nathan, may I ask what you'd want a 51-point AF system for? And crucially why you'd want it more than the AF system in the D80 or D200?

I do know what you're saying about wanting a significant upgrade to last you a while, but you do need to ask yourself if you actually need the extra benefits of, say, the D200 over the D80. I think it's easy to get caught up in the features of these new models when we don't actually need them. Not so long ago, we made film SLRs last for decades and were perfectly happy.

Of course I also appreciate the joy of simply having a top-end model, so if you can afford a D200 and not compromise on the lenses you'll subsequently fit on it, then go for it and more power to you. But if you want me to say the D200 is so much better than the D80, I'm not your man. If you need 5fps and the D200's other features, then sure, go for it, but otherwise don't kid yourself it's gonna get you better pictures under most circumstances than a D80.

But if your friend has gone through the same process, then ask them how the D80 was limiting, and how the D200 is worth the extra in practice. And tell us too, as it'd be interesting.

All I'll say is some of the best photos I've ever taken were with budget DSLRs or film SLRs - and while most of us would like a top-end model, not many of us actually need it.

I'd also not recommend anyone buys a D200 until the D300 comes out and they actually get a chance to handle both in person.

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Hi Nathan

After all other comments -all other guys send posted-as far as I know D300 will have the 25600 ISO setting. (yes twenty fife thousand and not two and a half) will this be usefull to you ? Take everything into account and spend wisely :D

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 Post subject: D300 ISO Sensitivities
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:09 am 
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Laertiscy wrote:
... as far as I know D300 will have the 25600 ISO setting. (yes twenty fife thousand and not two and a half) ...

I am not saying you are wrong but could you let us know where the 25600 ISO setting is published?

As far as I can tell from the UK specifications for the D300 we have
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    ISO 200 to 3200 in steps of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV with additional settings of approx. 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 and 1 EV (ISO 100 equivalent) under ISO 200 and approx. 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 and 1 EV (ISO 6400 equivalent) over ISO 3200
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:22 am 
This is the text from the Nikon Press Release of the D3... not the D300. I have heard the same stats around the net re: D300, but I cannot verify them in a press release or in published stats. Nonetheless, here is the D3 ISO blurb:

Images taken with the D3 reflect exceptional overall quality, broad tonal range and depth, along with extremely low-noise throughout its normal ISO range of 200 to 6400. By setting the camera to its built-in options of Lo-1 or Hi-2, the ISO range of the camera can be expanded to the equivalent of ISO 100 or ISO 25,600 respectively, offering unmatched versatility in practically any shooting situation.

I'm not really sure what all of that means... Lo-1 or Hi-2. It sounds to me like tech hype... similar to the Foveon Sensors claiming 14+ MP... when in reality they are just 3X 6.something MP's.

If someone could elaborate on the Lo-1 of Hi-2 I would appreciate it.


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here is the link from www.tomshardware.com
about Nikon D3/D300

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33550/145/

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Laertiscy wrote:

I can't find any reference to the D300 on that page. 25600 ISO is for the D3.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:45 pm 
D3: ISO 200-6400 with extensions LO-1 (ISO 100), HI-1 (ISO 12800) and HI-2 (ISO 25600)

D300: ISO 200-3200 with extensions LO-1 (ISO 100) and HI-1 (ISO 6400)

From what I've read, extensions are implemented in firmware (for example shoot at ISO 3200 but underexpose 1 stop, then push back that 1 stop when generating the picture -> ISO 6400), not in hardware, but I'm not 100% sure.

Darrin


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:55 pm 
I really want the D200 becasue of cousrse superior build quality and the 5fps those are the main reasons and I believe that is why he upgraded aswell, although the other feartures I would be glad to have. Since within the next 2 and a half years I will be selling lots of sports prints this will help out. I do not plan to continue with sports after high school but it gets me money and the better quality the more I sell.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:30 pm 
Well, you can look at it this way: assuming you do sell your photos, how many of them will it take to pay for a D80, and how many will it take to pay for a D200?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:24 pm 
I am not sure yet, I could possibly have the D80 by November - January and depending on how much the price will and if it drops for the D200 it should take another 2-3 months. So I think I will stick with the D80 and I can get some new glass. I think I should get the D80 then I really want to pick up the MB-D80 followed by a 50mm then sigma 10-20mm, aswell as maybe a SB-600 after that or after the 50mm maybe even before. This could all be bought in about the same time it would take to get a D200, MN-200, and 50mm. What sounds better to you, that pretty much answers itself, so I could just have the D80 until I am say a senior then as a grad. present or before I will be able to pick up who knows what will be out then, but I will want something like if the succesor to the D300 is out just a semi-pro/pro camera not the fully pro. I plan to go to a college like SCAD(Savanah College of Art & Design seeing as how my friend goes there and is a graphic design artist and he loves it, I also have some stuff from there that was sent to me about the school) or Corcoran College of Art & Design which another friend goes to and loves, plus it is located in DC which is one of my favorite citites. This all over planned and off subject so I will stop here.


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