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 Post subject: UK Pricing reviled
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Seems I might have been rather optimistic in my previous estimate of the 40D pricing here in the UK. I have now found three online retailers who are quoting a price of £900 for the body.

This may be the Recommended Retail Price rather than a Realistic Retail Price. Even so, we already know that it will be available in the States for $1300 or less. At £1 = $2 that comes to £650. Add VAT (no duty on camera bodies as far as I know) and that comes to £765. Would I buy it for £900? Absolutely not. :evil:

I sincerely hope that nobody is stupid enough to encourage another example of Rip Off Britain. Now; I wonder how much the cheapest return fare to Newark, New Jersey is...

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 Post subject: 40D
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:28 am 
Looks great, I want one.

Better start saving!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:48 am 
live view is slow ? like he olympus e-410... it seemed slow


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Yeah, I want one too. The Canon USA site now has its 40D pages up which you can view here.

I am still trying to get some resolution to the UK pricing debacle but in the meantime here are some official photos (click on them to see the big versions) courtesy of Canon USA.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:59 am 
hey bob - i was wondering, since you told me how MP works, what do you think of the new low-noise caracteristics of the 40d ? Do you think it's worth it to jump from xti to 40d


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:03 pm 
Hi , does anyone know what's it going to cost in Europe , more specifically Belgium. I'm afraid they're going to take the dollar price over to euro's since the taxes here are really high.


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Cr4zYH3aD wrote:
hey bob - i was wondering, since you told me how MP works, what do you think of the new low-noise caracteristics of the 40d ? Do you think it's worth it to jump from xti to 40d

Hi,

I am currently reading through the Canon USA 40D pages. When you go to the Features tab it is easy to miss the little "Next" button near the bottom of each page. This button reveals a wealth of information!

In answer to your question, this from the Canon site:

New manufacturing techniques mean each pixel is more sensitive to light, and less area between pixels is wasted on the sensor. The on-chip noise reduction electronics are also entirely new, and combine with the sensor's general design for less digital noise and better high-ISO performance than ever before. This results in larger, clearer, sharper and more detailed photographs right from the start.

OK, this is "marketing speak" but it looks really promising.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:21 pm 
Hum k. Thanks Bob.

I also seen on a forum that DiG!c II and III handle noisy differently, so the DiG!c III is blurrier and look more 'washed' than the DiG!c II , what do you think ?


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Cr4zYH3aD wrote:
I also seen on a forum that DiG!c II and III handle noisy differently, so the DiG!c III is blurrier and look more 'washed' than the DiG!c II , what do you think ?

I think the problem at the moment is that nobody really knows because, as far as I am aware, nobody except Canon will have been able to couple the same sensor to both DIGIC II and DIGIC III processors. Obviously the noise performance is a team effort. We will have to wait for the reviews to be sure but I have to believe that IQ will be a step up from the 400D/XTi and 30D, especially if you shoot in RAW.

I have just had a word with one of the UK prime dealerships for Canon and the £899.99 advertised price is Canon's Recommended Retail Price. Nobody really knows what the actual price will be yet.

Anyway, I've stumped up my £25 returnable deposit and pre-ordered one. Exciting. 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:36 pm 
hehe, yeah, exciting

I might sell my xti for a 40d.

What tickles me is that it's not full frame, comes witha 28-135 (not wide) !

But there's a 18-55 IS and a EF14mm L that's coming

So, 900 pounds = 1,800 us ? = 2,000 CAD I guess. But Amazon.com listed it as 1,300$ US, can't remember if it's body only or with the 28-135 IS


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Cr4zYH3aD wrote:
What tickles me is that it's not full frame, comes witha 28-135 (not wide) !

But there's a 18-55 IS and a EF14mm L that's coming

So, 900 pounds = 1,800 us ? = 2,000 CAD I guess. But Amazon.com listed it as 1,300$ US, can't remember if it's body only or with the 28-135 IS

In my opinion this was never going to be a full frame or even an APS-H offering, nice as that would have been, because it would have undermined Canon's premium models and upset the 20D, 30D, 400D etc. upgraders with EF-S lenses.

The 18-55 IS will make a decent kit lens for the first time EOS buyer. As for the EF 14mm f/2.8L II, it's a bit out of my price range I think.

Talking of price, I have been talking "body only" and the £900 figure is Canon's RRP. Nobody sells at RRP in this country and I would certainly cancel my order if that was the actual price.

As I mentioned, the store I have pre-ordered with hasn't figured out a proper price yet. Given that in the States Amazon has positioned the 40D as cheaper than the Nikon D200 I would be surprised not to see the 40D body for under £800. Hopefully, similar logic will apply in Quebec. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:40 pm 
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Canon Japan has a page of sample images taken with the 40D which allow some first impressions to be gained of sensor noise.

Click on an image and you get the chance to download/view the image full size. Three of the images are at ISO 100 while the rally car was shot at ISO 800, f/2.8 and 1/8000th of a second.

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Nice images , especially the iso 800 one


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 Post subject: Noise
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:14 pm 
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Nice images , especially the iso 800 one

Absolutely. Some noise in the background foliage when viewed at full size but I'd be more than happy.

By the way, the Canon UK website has now been updated to reflect the entire range of DSLRs but pretty poor content when compared to the Canon USA 40D pages. I wonder whether my email to them about an hour beforehand telling them they should be ashamed was a factor in getting at least some content up? Probably not. :(

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