Free Shipping on ALL Products
camera reviewsbest cameraslens reviewsphotography tipscamera forumvideo toursphotography bookssupport me
It is currently Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:45 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
Well you know its that time of year again...well its that time of year every few weeks really but this is a bit bigger.

New CPU's from Intel are starting to get stocked and benchmarked now.

New Dual and Quad cores are coming in, all at the new 45nm with 1333Mhz FSB with 3MB/6MB of L2 Cache on the Dual Cores and 6MB/12MB of L2 Cache for the Quad Cores.

The new 45nm dual cores run faster, are more efficient, and have smaller and less noisy (not that they were loud to begin with!) heat sink and fans. The E8500 Dual Core which runs at 3.2Ghz (9.5x multiplier) with 6MB L2 Cache is one of the first to be reviewed for its overclocking potential and it certainly delivers! It was pushed to 4.2Ghz no problem at all, and topped out at around 4.4Ghz - bare in mind thats without any extreme stuff, just an X48 motherboard, good HSF and some patience. So 4Ghz is easily reached with the new dual cores, and at that speed it actually proceeds to beat the Q6600 and Q6700 in almost all real-world benchmarks for gaming.

The full lineup from Intel is looking rather promising and lets hope that they all overclock just as well as the E8500 :D

RAM - DDR3 has been clocked above 2.1Ghz (well 1Ghz since its DDR3) which is pretty groundbreaking for consumer ram modules, although no word on the latency yet, hopefully DDR3 gets its latency down or its going to be pretty much useless for gaming >_<

GPU - GeForce 9's are out although surprisingly the first card out of the proverbial gates is not that 9800G2X like everyone had expected, but its little brother, the 9600GT. The 9600GT is Nvidia's new Mid-Range, which is a good thing because the 8600GTS was not cutting the mustard by any stretch of the imagination! It is a few fps (anything from 3 to 12) behind in most games / benchmarks compared to the 8800GT and GTS, but really comes head and shoulders above the 8600GT and GTS.

Yeah so thats about all the important stuff :)

What you want:

ASUS Intel X48 / NVIDIA 780i Motherboard
Intel QX9850 @ 4Ghz 12MB L2 Cache
8GB DDR2-1066 @ 1333Mhz+ CL5.0
3 x NVIDIA Geforce 8800Ultra [replaced with 2 x 9800G2X soon :)]


As for workstations - only one way to go :)

Intel SKULLTRAIL D5400XS Motherboard
2 x Intel XEON Core 2 EXTREME [Quad] QX9775 12MB L2 Cache @ 4Ghz
8GB FB-DIMM DDR2-800Mhz CL4.0
2 x NVIDIA Geforce 8800Ultra [replaced with 2 x 9800G2X soon :)]


Can't wait to test some of this new stuff out =D

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:20 am 
DD_nVidia wrote:
GPU - GeForce 9's are out although surprisingly the first card out of the proverbial gates is not that 9800G2X like everyone had expected, but its little brother, the 9600GT. The 9600GT is Nvidia's new Mid-Range, which is a good thing because the 8600GTS was not cutting the mustard by any stretch of the imagination! It is a few fps (anything from 3 to 12) behind in most games / benchmarks compared to the 8800GT and GTS, but really comes head and shoulders above the 8600GT and GTS.


More importantly, it beats the Radeon 3850!

Intel and NVidia are really wiping the floor with AMD...


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:08 am 
AMD/ATI (which are the same group now) are sure in a bad posture. Intel Cores are just awesomely amazing, and nVidia's GPUs are spectacular. It would be definitely foolish to invest into AMD/ATI right now (except if you have a really good reason for it...)


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:55 am 
That's not completely true.

Yes I agree with you that AMD is in a bad position, their processors can't match the Intels for performance and don't overclock as well either but the ATIs are a different story.

ATI seems to have gone for value in the mid-segment rather than all out performance and as a result, their achievements look less spectacular.

Having said that, my next computer will not have ATI or AMD in it and my current PC has both...

...and no I'm not a fanboy :lol:


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:36 am 
Now if they could just get the quality of those games to follow the eye-candy.....

..and if they'd start programming for parallel processors and use a 64bit architecture... (not counting 64bit Vista which is mostly a joke).

Yeah - raw processing power for graphical and other calculations is going through the roof, but the programming techniques, the quality assurance thereof and the design is deteriorating, in my opinion.

But all these hardware innovations does allow us to browse these forums faster, so it is good for something :-)

Cheers!


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:17 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:08 pm
Posts: 7925
Location: Germany
The real Intel refresh will come in fall, when a new socket cum processor (8 core "Nehalems") cum North-/Southbridge cum DDR3 cum new motherboards will hit the streets.
So it's then time for upgrade big time. Would be interesting to see what you still can use from your old system :? Well I hope at least the power supply still fits :roll:

_________________
Thomas (beware: Nikon-fanboy and moderator!) My Lens Reviews, My Pictures, My Photography Blog
D800+assorted lenses


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
Oh yeah

New Extended Power Supply format is pretty widely accepted now too :)

My case supports it :)

1.6Kw PSU's for the triple SLI and Dual CPU systems :O

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:14 am 
I was thinking computer are using more and more power. It could get to a point where it will be to expensive to run your computer.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:57 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:13 am
Posts: 379
Location: Sale, UK
I'm thinking of upgrading my ageing desktop system (Athlon XP 3000, 1Gb RAM). What would you recommend in terms of a new mobo, processor, RAM and hard disk for less than £400?

_________________
Nikon D80, Nikkor lenses: 35mm f1.8 G AF-S DX, 50mm f/1.8 AF D, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR, SB800 flash
My photos on SmugMug


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:50 pm 
Quote:
I was thinking computer are using more and more power. It could get to a point where it will be to expensive to run your computer.


Not really, because we're making more and more progress in making the CPUs consume as much, or even less, then the previous ones. Power supplys have delivered pretty constant wattage over the last years.

Except, of course, for the hardcore gamers/professional graphists such as DD_nvidia who use 3 graphics cards at the same time. ^^

Phil > What usage do you have of your computer ?


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:52 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:30 pm
Posts: 9817
Location: UK
Hi Phil,

Well, if you are feeling adventurous and have an understanding family the April edition of Custom PC has an article describing how to build a gaming rig for £447 (incl VAT I believe). Specifications are:
  • Case: Coolermaster RC-330 V2
  • Optical Drive: Optiarc/NEC AD 7200S-0B 20xDVD±R
  • PSU: FSP Blue Storm II 500
  • Processor: Intel Pentium E2140
  • Memory: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 PC2-6400
  • Hard Drive: 160GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K160
  • Graphics Card: 256MB XFX GeForce 8800 GT
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L
  • OS: Vista Home Premium 32 bit OEM
  • Heat Sink: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
The components were all sourced from Scan Computers. To quote very briefly from the article "this PC would elicit much laughter if it were reviewed by Custom PC at its stock speed... ...When it's overclocked to 3GHz ... this £447 PC is a monster".

If you are feeling less adventurous then the April edition of PC Pro has a group test of "Luxury £599 PCs"! Goodness, it doesn't seem so long ago when we were amazed at PCs costing less than £1000. £599 is a lot over-budget but as these systems come with monitors, speakers, keyboards etc. it might be worth checking out.

I wonder whether Gordon has an inside line he can share on any upcoming tests in PCW?

Bob.

_________________
Olympus OM-D E-M1 + M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8, Lumix 7-14mm f/4, Leica DG Summilux 15mm f/1.7 ASPH, M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8, M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm 1:1.8.
Leica D Vario-Elmar 14mm-150mm f/3.5 - f/5.6 ASPH.
OM-D E-M5, H-PS14042E, Gitzo GT1541T, Arca-Swiss Z1 DP ball-head.
Astrophotography: TEC 140 'scope, FLI ML16803 camera, ASA DDM60 Pro mount.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:04 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:13 am
Posts: 379
Location: Sale, UK
Guillaume wrote:
Phil > What usage do you have of your computer ?


It's mainly for running Lightroom. In the past I did run a lot of racing sims on my PC (and helped to set up and run a race sim forum with 100000+ members) but I don't have much time for that now. I guess it would be nice to have the option though. The only real requirement I have is that the system is quiet. I am totally out of step with current PC technology so any help is greatfully received.

_________________
Nikon D80, Nikkor lenses: 35mm f1.8 G AF-S DX, 50mm f/1.8 AF D, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR, SB800 flash
My photos on SmugMug


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:36 pm 
Well if you want to play video games, even occasionally, you should probably follow Bob's advice ;)


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
Well depending on budget.

The ideal middle of the range is

ASUS P5E (or any 680i, 780i P35, X38 or X48 Motherboard, Pref Asus though)
Intel Q6600 95W TDP G0 Stepping
2Gb DDR2-800 CL4.0
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 256/512MB
700W PSU
7200rpm 16MB Cache Hard Drive

the psu and hdd make doesnt matter quite so much in mid range systems.

Price is roughly...£170+50+80+180+50+40 = 570

If you drop the graphics card or get a cheaper one if you don't play games, or perhaps only get dual core cpu etc. then this will cut the price.

I'd have to sort of have a budget and then i could see what i could get for the cash.

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:41 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:32 pm
Posts: 9975
Location: Queenstown, New Zealand
Hi Daniel, what do you think of the Q6600? I'm thinking of getting one for some tests in the magazine and it'd slip into my Asus P5W DH Deluxe no problem with a Bios update... I believe the G0 stepping - as you say - is the best bet.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

All words, images, videos and layout, copyright 2005-2012 Gordon Laing. May not be used without permission.
/ How we test / Best Cameras / Advertising / Camera reviews / Supporting Camera Labs

Webdesign by Alphabase IT
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group