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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:06 pm 
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After a telephoto lens for a 600 eos and what would you recommend, have a 55-250 but want something better


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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:56 pm 
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Better in what way?

There are the various 70-200L lenses at various speeds and cost. The 70-300L and 100-400L are on the longer end, and you will find endless debates between them. Going 3rd party, the Tamron 70-300 VC gets good reviews, but has a backwards zoom ring.

If I had to pick just one of the above, I'd go for the 100-400L no hesitation, but my needs may vary from yours.

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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:11 am 
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Thanks for that, am fairly new to photography and want something that is fairly easy for taking shots of wildlife in flight.
There are really no camera shops in my area so testing lenses is not available.


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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:54 pm 
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Birds in flight is certainly a tricky one. How do you find the range of the 55-250? If you find yourself needing the longer end, then we might skip on the 70-200 class lenses (although they support extenders giving them up to 280mm, that will impact quality and AF speed). I have both the 70-300L and 100-400L. The 70-300L is a more modern lens, with stronger IS and better weather resistance. But when zooming it isn't parfocal, so focus shifts when zooming. With continuous focusing, it can compensate but it is still extra work to do. The 100-400L has an older IS system which is less effective, and isn't terribly water resistant, but it is near enough parfocal, plus the push-pull zoom action allows for faster and more accurate tracking of moving subjects. Not everyone likes that though, so without trying it, it will be a guess.

I don't have experience of the Tamron, but personally the backwards zoom ring is a huge negative if you're used to the Canon direction of zoom.

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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:47 pm 
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Found the 55-250 ok if just taking still pictures with plenty of time but when taking in flight pictures wish I hadn't wasted my money and got a better lense but when you Ist get a camera you buy something you think is ok have been looking on the site about the 100-400L and the 70-300 and not sure how much difference between the 2 would like to see some pictures from both if you have any to compare cheers


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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:46 pm 
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For practical purposes, the image quality of the 70-300L and 100-400L are very close. I wouldn't consider that to be a deciding point between them.

Another question, what is the limiting factor with your in flight photos? We should first make sure that the lens is limiting, and not the technique for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:26 am 
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I also have both types - 70-300 and 100-400L's. I find I use the 100-400 lens more. I'm shooting plans rather than birds though, not sure if that will make a difference. I also think the 100-400 is a little easier to use but that might be familiarity and frequency of use rather than anything technical.

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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:48 am 
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Like Popo said IQ isn`t the deciding factor, the 70-300L is much easier to carry around its quite compact. Success rate with with the 7D`s AI Servo system/continues focus makes tracking birds in flight and the speed of the lenses focus system is quite good. But you learn to use a lens and camera to its strength.
When I have used the 100-400L the fact that I had zoomed in closer also made it hard to track the subject when it comes to close, but if you lost the subject it was easier to pick out as when zooming back, it stayed in focus. When zooming the 70-300L it might hunt, but if releasing the focus button quickly and pushing it again allows it to re-aquire quickly.

Your tracking technique, good body positioning and familiarity with lens and camera ( focus system ) is more important that what either lens may or may not produce.

Personally I chose the 70-300L for its newer , more compact design, better IS and weather sealing, but if you want and need 400 then the 100-400L is a great buy. I have been waiting for a refresh or new design of the 100-400L, when its becomes available chance are that I will get it. A mate has the 100-400L and I have borrowed it occasionally, but I am not as comfortable with it as the 70-300L.
I have got a kenko 1.4 pro 300dgx extender , it works with the 70-300L , but it slows down focus and does affect IQ .

Don`t forget sigma and tamron , ie the new tamron 150-600 , I might look at that one day. It all depends on how portable the new 100-400L will be.

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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:36 am 
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Thanks for these ideas if you were looking at sigma or tamron which would be the best options versus the 70-300 or the 100-400 canon


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 Post subject: Re: Canon lenses
PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:33 am 
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The Tamron SP70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di VC USD is a better lens than the 70-300 from Sigma.
If you want 400 the canon 100-400L is the pick of the bunch

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