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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:07 pm 
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http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_70D/

Gordon Lang's review of the Canon 70D is finally complete!!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:35 pm 
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You beat me to it Lord Edon!

Yes, my Canon 70D review is finally complete. I've worked really hard on this one, working day and night and across weekends, even the UK August holiday weekend! As such it's one of my most detailed reviews to date, but also one of the first reviews you'll find of the camera online. Maybe even the first!

Anyway, hope you enjoy it - spread the word!

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I'd also like to thank bugbait, Lord Edon, popo and others for all your continued support both here and elsewhere - I really do appreciate your support!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:41 am 
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You are Welcome Gordon Lang!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:01 pm 
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You are most welcome Gordon. Indeed that is a very comprehensive review. Luckily for my double-vision I have a text reader to soak it all in with.

I have decided to buy the 70D around December to March at the latest. I bought the EOS-M, 22mm f2 and 90EX flash yesterday for $399. Quirky little camera offering but the lens doesn't seem to have an equal near that price so a winner in the end. Magic Lantern for time-lapse etc of course. Can't count on ML for the 70D, not yet.

There is a lot to find out about this camera yet but after reading this extensive review it has more to do with the particular users own needs. I look forward to seeing if LV will track a butterfly bobbing about on the bush and flowers, likely not. But part of the fun of technology is pushing it past its known limits. How effective 3X digital zoom will be with my subjects, hummers and dragonflies, that do actually hover if you know where to look. And more importantly the ways in which we will use the camera that we did not anticipate.

Photography is a great hobby when we do not blindly buy lemons at Best Buy. Competent reviews make all the difference.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:48 am 
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thanks for the review Gordon, I would love to see this sensor in the M Series.
Makes me wonder if and when they will put this sensor technology into the 5D and 6D. With full frame DSLR bodies doing video for tv etc, seems like a logical step.

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Happy to see the chroma noise (again?) in the RAW shots at higer ISOs. They should invest in lower noise APS-Cs these days, nobody uses 20 MP. Not to say the 70D's noise is bad, it just is'nt any better -is this the new sensor we've waited for after all those 18 MP sensors? I'd expected somewhat better results, again, not to say the results are bad but after all the years they've used the same 18 MP sensor I think it's not a big leap forward.

Love your review though, Gordon. Nice job!

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Ruben123 wrote:
I'd expected somewhat better results, again, not to say the results are bad but after all the years they've used the same 18 MP sensor I think it's not a big leap forward.


There might have been several years of 18MP sensors, but there were a few different versions in those years. The sensor in a 100D is not the same as the 7D. I think there was another version of the aps-c 18mp sensor, but I do not recall the camera.

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Well, youre 100% right, but the differences are not that big. The performance of all sensors of 18MP are roughly the same, which indicates that no new innovations with regarding to IQ were made. The new AF mechanism is quite nice though, but then, it doesnt change the IQ.

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After Reading Gordon Lang's review I decided will ABSOLUTELY NOT Pay $1200 USD for the Canon 70D, I can get a 7D in great condition for $900 and that is worth the money far more than the 70D.

As I read reviews about the 70D and seen it in videos the 70D has greatly compromised in buffer rate, at 2 2/7 seconds 16 frames before buffering, 7fps I dont mind, only single axis leveling on the view finder, no leveling axis in live view, 95% view finder when the Nikon D7100 has 100% view finder.

While I dont mind some compromises in menu and other features, the 70D has compromise too much based on reviews, and for me absolutely not worth the $1200 price for it in the USA.

Again my maximum price is $800, I might make it even less, if the price dont get that low by end of November payday I will either buy my alternative or by nothing and wait for the Canon 7D Mk II


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That's something :wink:

On another note, quite nice review Gordon, I found it quite interesting and I was really expecting better high-ISO performance on the 70D over the quite old 18 MP "standard" APS-C sensor, as Ruben mentioned. For this sensor to be the *new* sensor for APS-C cameras with Canon, I think it's a bit sad to see that they didn't improve high-ISO quality. One might hope though, that the 7D II will have a new sensor as well, with a nice improvement in high-ISO IQ, but I really don't know, maybe they'll use the same sensor as the 70D?

I don't follow rumors or leaks or anything like that too much, so I really don't know what Canon has said or if there are any hints of anything. :P

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I think you are expecting too much, there has always only been incremental improvements in iso performance with each new generation of sensors.

canon rumors is suggesting that the 7D II will only increase iso a slight amount and maybe increase MP to 20.2Mp
But with the new 1D x based focus system.

I can wait for the next generation after the 7D II and would only buy a 7D II if something went wrong with the 7D.

Instead of focusing so much on what the body delivers, I think you should focus on researching lenses and thinking about how you will post process your files, in particular raw files.
ie I got better photos out of spending time with lightroom 4, than what any body would have delivered. It easily cleans up noise. Do you have suitable software and hardware?

Even when comparing the 6D full frame vs 7D crop sensor the difference, which is a much bigger step up than any slight improvement a new generation APS-C sensor might offer, its only marginal. In particular after good post processing.

A good shot is a good shot the camera is only part of the equation.

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maxjj wrote:
Instead of focusing so much on what the body delivers, I think you should focus on researching lenses and thinking about how you will post process your files, in particular raw files.

True. I know that a 50mm 1.8 will let me have a lot more light than say, the 18-55mm, thus getting the ISO down while keeping the same exposure, though probably you won't be shooting all the time at f/1.8, but you get the point.

Also regarding the RAW files, as I always shoot RAW, I know what can be done with quite a noisy picture and it really is a helpful thing to have some decent editing software at hand (PS CS3 for me). RAW I'll say is marvelous, I cheat the system sometimes by underexposing my shots in low light to get less noise and then bringing them back.

Anyways, back to topic, these are just my thoughts about what would be a nice improvement to "X" camera, in practice, first of all, I really don't care much about noise sometimes, as long as my shot is sharp and well composed and exposed it's fine. I learned that converting to B&W looks much nicer with noisy pictures.

The 7D II's 1D X-based focusing is quite interesting, personally I'd be more interested about that.

Back to the 70D, that live view focusing for video is actually quite sweet, especially with that touch-screen!

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As far as I know, to get less noise in your pictures, you will have to overexposure a bit (I always do 1/3), and in PS I bring the exposure down again. Didnt you mean that, pierovera?

Also I think Lord ENDON is a funny guy! I would not expect the prices of the 70D to drop anytime soon, the 7D might drop again a bit and I surely would buy the 7D over the 70D.

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Ruben123 wrote:
As far as I know, to get less noise in your pictures, you will have to overexposure a bit (I always do 1/3), and in PS I bring the exposure down again. Didnt you mean that, pierovera?

Yeah, I heard that before, but the way I like doing it is by underexposing 1 stop, that way I can shoot with the same aperture and shutter speed but reducing the ISO from, say, 3200 to 1600.

I'll give that overexposure technique a try, perhaps it works better than what I do.

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