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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:30 am 
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You look at it how YOU WANT!

I look at it how I want!!


Regardless, it you're so set on getting it, it seems like a contradiction that the comparison against its contemporaries is such of such critical importance to you. That's what I don't understand.

I can't think why but I suspect this debate will be going on next year when the 7D Mark II has been announced and you still don't have a DSLR.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:13 pm 
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When the time comes I will decide. Though I wont buy anything less than the 70D.

Your understanding of what I want and why, wont change what I buy and why.

This Topic is not about me so I wont full it up explaining myself.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:06 pm 
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You assume I have a camera when I implied I have none with my topic "My First DSLR"!

Ah, then I misunderstood, it's just that when I asked if you didn't just buy a 600D, you clarified saying it wasn't a 600D, rather a 650D. I apologize.

Now that that's out of the way, I still stand on my point that a 650D or 700D (for me they are the same camera practically) with some better glass will definitely produce better pictures than a 70D with a kit lens, all for the same money.

Allow me to demonstrate, I shall use Canon's website prices:

Let's assume the budget is $4000. Also, let's assume we want some telephoto lens because we'll be shooting sports. Take a 5D MKIII vs a 7D, priced at $3500 and $1500 respectively.

Buying the 5D would leave you with $500, the best telephoto you can buy is the EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM ($470), which isn't that great of a lens.

Now, buying the 7D will leave you with $2500, now the telephoto you will be able to afford EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2500), which as you can see, is a great lens. Or if you need to get to 300mm, you could always buy the EF 300mm f/4L IS USM ($1450) and the EF 70-200mm f/4L USM ($710), which are still a lot better than the 100-300mm. If you doubt it, you can always Google some images of these lenses with these bodies, though a photo of a 5D MKIII with the 100-300mm lens might not be so easy to find, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't think it'd be necessary, I think it's common sense.

A word of advice: a good body is worth nothing with a bad lens.

I think DigitalRev TV has a video about it on YouTube, if you have the time, look it up. Leaving Kai's goofiness aside, it demonstrates what I'm telling you quite nicely.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:18 pm 
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pierovera wrote:
LORD Edon wrote:
You assume I have a camera when I implied I have none with my topic "My First DSLR"!

Ah, then I misunderstood, it's just that when I asked if you didn't just buy a 600D, you clarified saying it wasn't a 600D, rather a 650D. I apologize.

Now that that's out of the way, I still stand on my point that a 650D or 700D (for me they are the same camera practically) with some better glass will definitely produce better pictures than a 70D with a kit lens, all for the same money.

Allow me to demonstrate, I shall use Canon's website prices:

Let's assume the budget is $4000. Also, let's assume we want some telephoto lens because we'll be shooting sports. Take a 5D MKIII vs a 7D, priced at $3500 and $1500 respectively.

Buying the 5D would leave you with $500, the best telephoto you can buy is the EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM ($470), which isn't that great of a lens.

Now, buying the 7D will leave you with $2500, now the telephoto you will be able to afford EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2500), which as you can see, is a great lens. Or if you need to get to 300mm, you could always buy the EF 300mm f/4L IS USM ($1450) and the EF 70-200mm f/4L USM ($710), which are still a lot better than the 100-300mm. If you doubt it, you can always Google some images of these lenses with these bodies, though a photo of a 5D MKIII with the 100-300mm lens might not be so easy to find, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't think it'd be necessary, I think it's common sense.

A word of advice: a good body is worth nothing with a bad lens.

I think DigitalRev TV has a video about it on YouTube, if you have the time, look it up. Leaving Kai's goofiness aside, it demonstrates what I'm telling you quite nicely.


I know all this, as I told you before and you yourself quoted me, I wont buy anything less than the BEST LENS, you dont worry about my budget, I will worry about that.

I have thoroughly researched all of canon's lenses and the first lens I intend to buy is the efs 15-85mm and the pancake 40mm, for wide angle I am trying to decide between the EF 8-15mm or one of the sigma 10-20mm lenses

I know about aperture and how it plays into depth of field, lighting etc, I know focal length, and all that.

As I said I not making this topic about me, I know what I want and why I want it, if you want to discuss this further I will link you back to a topic I created!!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32501

In short, the 70D seems to be the best Camera for me right now to be my first DSLR, I may not need the 7D mk II as that camera I assume will be the same size and weight as the 7D, the 70d appears to be a great camera with very fast AF, 7fps, 20mp high ISO, pretty much a repackaged 7D in a smaller lighter body, and best of all, I can use any of canons great lenses for crop and full frame, I can even use Canon EF mount cinema lenses,
Again i wont be buying cheap lenses except the 40mm pancake which is very good for the price!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:01 pm 
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Very appropriate I'd say :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:41 pm 
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hey Gordon Lang can you please do a video of how this camera works with the efs 15-85mm lens, as well as the 18-135mm stm and 18-55mm stm?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:18 pm 
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Looks like the Canon 70D can record these static opera scenes well. Will be nice to see how it handles subject tracking ability too.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:15 pm 
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Umm... I don't think this was recorded with the 70D. The video was uploaded in 2010. I believe Bob didn't post it as a video demo of the 70D.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:35 pm 
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pierovera wrote:
though a photo of a 5D MKIII with the 100-300mm lens might not be so easy to find, but I'm not sure.

I could make that photo if you want to see it. :mrgreen: Still the 100-300mm USM isn't too bad. Maybe it's not as sharp as the 70-200mm lenses and maybe it's not as nice for portraits but it's wonderful small and not too heavy so it's a nice "just take it with you" tele lens and the results are OK - especially at F8.

I'm really looking forward to see the results of the 70D. I'd love it if it had a little less noise than the 18MP sensors.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:56 pm 
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LORD Edon wrote:
BEST LENS,


Get the Canon 17-55 2.8 IS or Tamron 17-50 2.8 non VC then, much better than the 15-85. If you buy the Tamron, you could buy a nice Canon G15 for the remaining money.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:38 pm 
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The features and specifications of the 70D do not make me wish for a 70D, but are encouraging to see, as I contemplate a possible/probable 7D successor in the future. There is no urgency, however, as my 7D cameras still perform well, and there are things other than DSLRs competing for my discretionary income.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:55 pm 
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I agree rex, you should keep your cam until a true successor to your camera is released.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:33 pm 
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The 7D Mk II is said to have the 70D sensor with the same technology, its seems the new 7D Mk II will be like the old 7D, being the 7D Mk II will be a camera with the same sensor as current gen crops with advance abilities such as better af, faster fps etc.

In the same way the 7D has the same 18mp sensor with its capabilities.

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/08/eos- ... ation-cr2/


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:40 pm 
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LORD Edon wrote:
In the same way the 7D has the same 18mp sensor with its capabilities.


It's not the same way because the 7D doesn't have the same sensor as the 550D, 60D et al. They have the same usable pixel count but the 7D's sensor has a slightly higher total pixel count than that in the the 18MP ***D and 60D bodies.

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