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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:25 am 
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Hi folks,

Just saw the RRP for the new EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x. Are you sitting comfortably? £11999.99 / €11800 according to DPR. OK, street prices would trend lower in time but "Huh"?

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Just for fun I thought I'd see what that sort of cash could get you here in the UK. I'm using street prices and, as this is a Canon thread, I'll stick with Canon. :wink:

EOS 5D Mark III + EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens - £4099.00
EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS USM II Lens - £1779.95
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens - £5099.00
Extender EF 1.4x III - £389.00
Extender EF 2x III - £389.00

That leaves £243 in the kitty, enough for a pizza and a bottle of Krug '98 to wash it down with. :lol:

Seriously, to buy the new 200-400mm you'd have to be very sure you needed it. The selection above may not have the same flexibility but with a constant f/2.8 aperture until those extenders are fitted it also has its merits and it includes a 5D3 to boot.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:14 am 
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I would have thought about half that would be a closer to the upper end of reasonable.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:02 pm 
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If you'd remove a "1" of the price I'd think of getting that lens :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:28 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:49 pm 
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The price had been rumoured for a while so it is no shock. If I were a bit more pro, I'd be the target for that lens. Effectively it is a 200-560mm without having to mount anything. Perfect for general wildlife use. I'm seeing similar reactions amongst my wildlife photography friends. Since I don't have cash equivalent to a new car available, I'll still make do between the 100-400L and Sigma 120-300 at up to 600 with extenders.

For pricing comparison, look at the older Nikon, which doesn't have built in extender. That doesn't leave you much change from £5k, so you know it would come in above that. Back in Canon-land, the 300/2.8 and 400/4DO are also around 5k. I picked those for comparison since they're roughly the same amount of glass, even if the DO is more exotic. That would be the absolute price floor from which to start going up.

My thoughts are now, if a 3rd party has the balls to do something similar? Sigma, I'm looking at you. Their 300/2.8 class lenses are already far cheaper than the big boys. I think they could do their version of a 200-400 extender with change from 5k street.

Oh, Bob, did you get your $ and £ mixed up? The £ number is higher than the € one?

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:51 pm 
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Makes the Nikkor 200-400 f4 + 1.4 T/C look like very good value....

Throw in a D4 and a spare battery and memory card or two and you're about equal....


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:48 pm 
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Not quite... the killer feature here is the built in TC which is a massive time saver. Unless you can swap a TC in or out in under 2 seconds. Even swapping to 2nd body with another lens on it would be slower than flicking that switch.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:16 am 
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Another factor is dust. With not having to change lenses, or add a TC, you do not have to worry as much about dust getting into your camera.
If you want to read an expert's opinion, who has dealt with a pre-production model for ~6 months, then check out this article by Andy Rouse.

Since he actually makes a living off of his pictures, I am going to take his word that this lens is extremely useful to him and worth the money.
Taking his word on it is much cheaper than actually spending my own money on this lens to find out for myself.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:45 am 
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nice enough review, but don`t need all that flowery language. Some is ok, but he is taking it a tad too far.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:48 pm 
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As I said, I am going to take his word for it that the lens is worth that much money.
I am having a hard enough time just justifying to myself to get the 5DIII as an upgrade to my current 400D/XTi.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:23 pm 
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Rorschach wrote:
How many livers do I have?

Actually an infinite number (sort of). The liver is the one organ in the body that will regrow, so you could sell part of it and then wait for it to regrow and sell a bit more. :)

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