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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Hi everyone, this is the official thread for the Canon EOS T5i/ 700D.

The T5i / 700D is virtually identical to the T4i / 650D and replaces it to become the latest upper entry-level DSLR from Canon.

Find out more in my Canon EOS T5i / 700D preview!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:37 am 
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Well; I don't really see the sense in that camera. I wonder how much "better" it feels but technically it's nothing new... Maybe they replaced the 650D as too many people were afraid of the "white rubber" grip thing the 650D had problems with in the beginning?
But OK - still a good camera; just like the 650D. ;)

Somehow I have to think of the EOS 33 and EOS 33v; which are about the same camera with slightly different finish. I have both of them.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:10 am 
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From a Canon business sense point of view the 'new' 700D makes perfect sense. For those who are not in the know (ie not camera buffs) the perception is that this is a new camera. Its not as if its the last chicken in the shop; for most normal people this new camera will deliver very good results as compared to those from their DSC's and mobiles.

For me this is a clear sign that Canon is concentrating on something new, for example a more high performance camera (the ones we've been hoping for), investing their time in a new processor and sensor. When this camera comes to release it gives it a clean run as 'top dog' for 9-12 month at the top of the APS-C range, without being hindered by an almost as capable XXXD model like we've seen in the past.

The real event is yet to happen I hope!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:37 am 
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Well - you never know; maybe they improved something you can't read in the specs? Maybe the .jpg processing is improved?

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In my opinion this is more like a Canon 650D v2.0 rather than the 700D, because to be honest, besides from the finish, there's nothing too exciting about it. Although the new kit lens does look amazing, for a kit lens that is :)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:36 pm 
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Apart from a new 360 degree dial and a new 'lick' of paint, it amounts to just a firmware upgrade.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:44 pm 
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I see this as an entry-level camera, so perhaps Canon perceives that market as demanding a new camera on a regular basis, with the targeted customer not really able to tell that the updates are incremental. A experienced photographer will see that the T5i/700D is not much different, but an entry-level buyer might simply buy a Nikon because he/she sees it as newer technology, if Canon did not respond with a new named model.

Moreover, with so many other new DSLRs announced recently, and rumored to be announced in the near future, Canon cannot really be expected to introduce a major innovation with each one, I would think. The 5D3, the 6D, the SL1/100D, and the rumored sucessor to the 7D, plus substantial firmware updates for the 7D, and if I remember correctly, 5D3 and 1D X, have surely been keeping Canon quite busy.

Personally, the SL1/100D and rumored 7D successor have my attention, along with my long-ongoing consideration of the 5D3-versus-1D-series, so the T5i is barely a blip on my radar screen. The little SL1 has effectively removed all of the T/Rebel series from my consideration, as compactness is my only motivation to acquire a DSLR smaller than a 7D.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:56 pm 
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RexGig wrote:
]The little SL1 has effectively removed all of the T/Rebel series from my consideration, as compactness is my only motivation to acquire a DSLR smaller than a 7D.

Well I'd disagree with that statement. I think it would replace the T3 line, but the T5i does have some advantages over the 100D, for example, all cross type focusing points, tilting screen, an independent SD card slot (meaning it can be switched while mounted on a tripod), more grip area for people with large hands (although this is a more personal thing), and other things that might make you want to buy a camera from the xxxD line.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:23 pm 
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I'd just like to say I believe WillS hit the nail on the head earlier - the 700D / T5i is all about not having the last chicken in the shop. It lets Canon say they have a 2013 model in this category with the minimum of effort.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:01 am 
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WillS wrote:
Apart from a new 360 degree dial and a new 'lick' of paint, it amounts to just a firmware upgrade.

Very succinctly put, WillS.

Specifically, I found the following at http://photo.net/equipment/canon/March-2013-announcement:

photo.net wrote:
While the T4i is currently still available, the new flagship Rebel [T5i / 700D] offers a few minor updates including the ability to preview creative filter effects prior to taking a shot. Previously, users would have to take the shot and then apply the filter. Additional texture has been added to the camera’s exterior coating to give it a more professional feel. The mode dial has been slightly redesigned and now rotates 360 degrees and features a Scene mode option. And, like the SL1, the kit lens has been upgraded to the new 18-55mm STM model.

The T5i is also slated to ship in April for an estimated retail price of $750 (body only) or $900 with the new EF-S 18-55m kit lens. The lens will also be available separately at the same time for $250.

One example of this is in Live View you can preview the bokeh effect for depth-of-field before taking the shot. That seems possible with the T4i (my camera) with merely a firmware upgrade, I would think.

Pricing is dropping fast. Currently, T4i body-only is $800, the same price at 2012 Christmas after $100 instant rebate is applied. At that time I paid $1150 w/two EF-S lenses (see signature), because I received a $250 rebate for the package. Today I can still buy a T3i body-only for $600, but with far fewer features (no touch screen). So, it really makes you wonder where prices for T3i, T4i, and factory refurbished versions will be in April? T3i is still a wonderful camera; slap a used EF zoom on it and you've got quite an affordable fine DSLR solution.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:47 pm 
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The following message is from amazon on the Canon T5i.

Note on Availability: Due to high demand we anticipate being unable to fulfill all customer orders with our first allocation. Product supply from Canon is very limited. Your place in line will be maintained, and we will not charge your credit card until we ship the product.

There overwhelming orders for the t5i, go to www.amazon.com and search for the t5i or 700d and see for yourself!

I know the t4i and the t5i are pretty much the same, I am still saving to buy the t4i, if the t5i is the right price hopefull about $600USD with or without the lens I would buy that.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:40 pm 
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LORD Edon wrote:
I know the t4i and the t5i are pretty much the same, I am still saving to buy the t4i, if the t5i is the right price hopefull about $600USD with or without the lens I would buy that.

I would recommend the reduced price T4i over the T5i for this reason: The most significant advancement is a firmware upgrade that allows the camera to preview Creative Mode changes (like bokeh effect) in Live View. Live View focus methods work differently (and slower) than viewfinder methods. So, if the types of photography that you do requires fast focus, you can't achieve that using Live View, and therefore the T5i has little advantage.

But, if the type of photography you do requires long setups, slow moving patient subjects, previewing shots in Live View, and usually a tripod; waiting to buy the T5i maybe a better choice.

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As far as I see the t5i firmware improvements is not important enough to me and the picture quality compared to the t4i/650d is the same.

If I buy the t5i/700d over the t4i/650d its because of these 2 ergonomic improvements. the t5i has a finish similar to the 60d and the mode dial can spin 360 degrees and keep turning, based on my experience with compact cams and most electronics these improvement will make using the camera more convenient for me,
plus the new 18-55mm stock lens is stm and appears to be better built.
If the t5i with the 18-55mm stm cost no more than $700US in a few months I will buy it.

As for the t4i I am hoping when the t5i is release the price eventually drops to $500US with the 18-55mm IS lens, that would be a great reason to chose that over the t5i.

My finances now dont allow me to buy any dslr, the future is not certain for me so I have to save and see what bargains I can get when the time comes,
and regardless of which cam I buy I want to buy the efs 15-85mm lens.


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PalaDolphin wrote:
But, if the type of photography you do requires long setups, slow moving patient subjects, previewing shots in Live View, and usually a tripod; waiting to buy the T5i maybe a better choice.


I now read that last part, thanks I might as well wait for the t5i, I have to anyway as I said I need a couple months to save!


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Also, choose an STM lens.

The addition of a Phase Detection Autofocus (PDAF) system is what really makes the 650D/T4i shine in video and live view performance. Up to this point, Canon cameras have had a only contrast detection autofocus method (CDAF) for live view focusing. CDAF works great when operating the camera through the viewfinder but cameras with PDAF are much better at tracking moving subjects in live mode. Canon combined the best of both systems with a dual method powered by the “hybrid” image sensor. A set of pixels are dedicated to each of the two focusing systems—CDAF and PDAF. Working together, these focusing systems produce results with greater speed and accuracy through the viewfinder and in live view mode than any previous entry-level Canon DSLR.

Canon released three lenses designed to work specifically with the contrast AF system of the T4i/T5i; one just recently. They are the EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM “Pancake” lens, and the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM. They all have liner stepper motors—a type frequently used in mirrorless digital cameras and video-dedicated cameras. The AF of an STM lens is fast and quiet during video recording and they work perfectly with contrast detection autofocus. These motors are multi-directional, so when they loose focus (especially in Live View), they don't have to search from the beginning of focus; they can search backwards and forwards, saving time. And of course, they do it silently.

So, if you really want to take advantage this “Hybrid CMOS” sensor in both the T4i and T5i, you'll need to buy an STM lens.

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