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If you only look within Canon, it kinda makes sense, but against Nikon, Canon once again are severely lagging on bodies. The D600 offers perhaps 80%+ of a 5D3 at a lower cost than the 6D, which makes the 6D look very poor indeed. Only if you compare the 6D against the 5D2 might you salvage something. The 6D will largely succeed the 5D2 in its price point, but Canon could have done better without impinging on the 5D3.

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I agree with you popo, and taking a portion of what you and SoloRider said and shortening it, I can say this:
If you want a budget full-frame DSLR and you have quite some Canon lenses already, go for the 6D. If you're just starting out, go for the D600.

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5D Mk2 price @ $1749 body only and $2499 with 24-105 lens thru amazon. Still in consideration if 6D stays above 2k. I'm fighting the urge to enter my CC #, lol.

Probably by 2013 the 6D will have dropped it's price quite a lot

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The price problem for the 6D is the 5D2:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod ... Body&p=726
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod ... ody&p=3288

£1790 for the 6D against £1498 for the 5D2 is not good. I know the 6D should come down in price but that is a big difference already. It will have to drop a lot to fall below the 5D2.

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Stuart, you say..

The price problem for the 6D is the 5D2:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod ... Body&p=726
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod ... ody&p=3288

£1790 for the 6D against £1498 for the 5D2 is not good.

Really?!

A four year old camera is cheaper than a new one with new features?! Shock, horror!

If all you are looking at is sensor size then this comparison MAY be valid, but if you look at what else you get on the 6D it becomes a facile arguement. Try adding the cost of a WiFi transmitter (built in on the 6D) to the 5D2 (£350 on Amazon UK at the time of writing) and the 5D2 actually costs MORE. This is before you add the better sensor, GPS, upgraded AF etc.

Look at the big picture! (Pun intended)

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I couldn't agree more Solorider. Addons are clumsy and always cost more than when they are fitted into the camera. Not sure how good the autofocus is though. The 5D2 was not that good and I would hope the 6D is substantially better, although I have seen comments that the 6D autofocus may not be too good. I await a full review by Gordon to see.

I cannot help thinking that if Canon make the 6D as good at taking pictures as the 5D3 then the 6D will compete too directly with the 5D3. I am suspicious that the 6D will be less good than the 5D3, otherwise why have a more expensive camera on the market at the same time? Aren't the extra facilities on the 5D3 a bit excessive for the normal user? And it's a lot bigger and heavier to carry around aswell.

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The 'kit' lens with any full frame camera is the 24-105mm lens. The camera should be reviewed with that lens as the vast majority of buyers would be getting the camera with that lens. The 24-70mm lens should be reviewed as a separate item.

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Yesterday, I handled a 6D and a 5D3 at a large local dealer, both with Canon EF 24-105mm lenses affixed, and the heavier 5D3's superior interface with my right hand made it feel lighter and better-balanced. The gripping areas on the front and rear of the 5D3 match my fingers and thumb very well, much like my much-loved 7D cameras. Of course, this is subjective, as we all have differing hand, finger, and thumb dimensions, and of course, differing ways of gripping a camera; I do much of my shooting, at work, one-handed, in darkness, so often have a flashlight (torch) or my 320EX with LED illuminated, in my left hand.

The 5D3's second memory card slot is also a plus.

The 6D seems likeable enough, especially if it were to be paired with a compact lens, but if my budget allows only one full-frame camera body purchase, I would rather save a bit longer and acquire the 5D3, so it remains my goal.

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Why, exactly?

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Sorry for any confusion, I moved this comment from the "In defense of the 6D" post over here, I think this thread is a little more appropriate...

I have finally read a 6D review from another site that I follow along with Cameralabs and happy with what they say about the 6D. I guess the world would be a better place if Canon called the 5DIII maybe a 4D and the 6D the 5DIII. With the rumor of a 6D being available without GPS and Wifi and even the possibility of one with only Wifi and no GPS intrigues me. Having Wifi would be nice but not terribly special but I have no need to spend any extra on the GPS, if that would save me a few dollars I could see putting the 6D on my wish list. Don't get me wrong, if the budget was there, I would be all over the 5DIII, but if not, the 6D is a serious consideration for me. For those who keep slamming the 6D and Canon with Nikon products, I don't know nor care much about. The review I read only cares about the product they are reviewing at the time and how it fits within that same company's line-up, it does not try and compare products from different companies. I am VERY happily entrenched in Canon and have no intention of switching.

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Hi everyone, we've completed our review!

See my Canon EOS 6D review to find out how it compares to the Nikon D600!

As a quick teaser, the AF may not have as many points, but it WILL focus under lower light as Canon claimed, and the Wifi smartphone remote control is very good...

Gordon

thanks for the review Gordon and Ken
It would make a nice addition to my current gear.

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Anyone else noticed that Canon have introduced a £100 cashback on the 6D and, coincidently, the shop price has now increased by nearly £100? Almost negating the cashback offer. One or two (like Devon Camera) have increased by the £100, or more, since last week.

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod ... ens&p=3289

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In the USA, there is a lowered price on the 6D at this time. I will admit that the ability to AF in lower light than its peers, even the 5D3/1DX, makes it tempting for me, in spite of my preference for the ergonomics and controls of the 5D/7D cameras. Am I the only one who has wished for the 6D internals in a tougher, more hand-filling 5D exterior, with the controls of the 5D?

Added on May 12, 2013: I handled a 6D again last evening, at a local electronics store, and was again frustrated by the placement of the controls, particularly the order of the buttons along the top, that are manipulated by the right index finger. I change ISO settings frequently, and can perform this task without looking at the camera, with my 7D, 40D, and 5D bodies. Because it can AF in lower light than any other present DSLR, and much of my shooting is at night, I do want, so much, to like the 6D!

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