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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:49 am 
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Hi Philnick,

May I wish you a warm welcome to the CameraLabs forum.

I rather suspect you'll be out of luck but who knows? Try this CR2 file (31.7 MB courtesy of IR) and let us know how you get on.

Bob.


Thanks for the welcome. The file you linked to also worked.

You notice that I published my findings so that others wouldn't be similarly in suspense. In fact, I had posted that request on three boards, and once I knew it worked, I posted the answer on all three boards as well. Just a matter of good forum citizenship.

I noticed something else in poking around the Adobe Labs site today: I found their RSS link for following their updates, which pointed me to the post announcing the release from Adobe Labs beta testing to Adobe.com distribution of ACR 7.1 and Lightroom 4.1 on May 29, 2012.

I had been checking the list of ACR-supported cameras for days, waiting for the T4i to appear. That listing page was also dated May 29, 2012 and didn't list the T4i until yesterday, when its date was changed to June 20th. I think, but can't swear, that 7.1 was on the May 29th version of the page as the current version.

What I conclude from all this is that Adobe was fully-prepared to support the T4i/650D, but embargoed the news of its existence until after Canon had officially announced it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:01 am 
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Hi Philnick,

I'm sure you are right about the embargo as I've previously found that in general Adobe's converters don't work on camera models released after Adobe's software releases. The purist might argue that it's so Adobe can be sure to wring the best out of the sensor (my very out of date copy of IrfanView had no trouble at all decoding the 650D/T4i file so the format hasn't changed). A cynic might argue that Adobe finds it convenient to try to force users to upgrade their copies of Adobe software. ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:15 pm 
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Hey guys, what do you think? Sounds like a rival for the D7000 which could mean that we'll get the semi-pro x0D series back!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:31 pm 
New question: I've noticed in the preview for the T4i here that Canon is throwing in its 300EG camera bag if the "650D" is purchased before August 31st from "participating retailers."

Other than British retailers, I haven't been able to find a seller advertising this promotion. I'm located in the wrong Cambridge (in Massachusetts, USA) - I doubt the 650D's battery charger would work here.

Has anyone found a US retailer participating in this promotion?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:55 pm 
Bob Andersson wrote:
Hi Philnick,

I'm sure you are right about the embargo as I've previously found that in general Adobe's converters don't work on camera models released after Adobe's software releases. The purist might argue that it's so Adobe can be sure to wring the best out of the sensor (my very out of date copy of IrfanView had no trouble at all decoding the 650D/T4i file so the format hasn't changed). A cynic might argue that Adobe finds it convenient to try to force users to upgrade their copies of Adobe software. ;)

Bob.


Your post inspired me to check whether LR 3.6 (the final version of LR 3) would directly import a T4i .cr2.

Nope! But my December 2007 copy of IrfanView also opened that .cr2 with no problem.

It looks like LR has been coded to refuse to import RAW files (other than DNGs) that aren't from cameras on its internal list.

Looks like a nefarious scheme to promote their free DNG Converter!

I guess they figure that only a few folks will know about its existence and will put up with batch converting all their shots, and everyone else will grumble and upgrade.

I've been batch-processing my XTi/400D files for a while - even though LR 3 and CS4 know its format - because I discovered that it swaps the Max and Min focus distances in its EXIF data, making Canon's DPP and Adobe's software unable to do geometry correction.

I found EXIFtool, a free power tool that is programmable with batch files, and worked with its author to come up with a batch file to swap those values to where they should be. (Takes about one second per file on my elderly Dell.)

After that batch processing, Adobe's software is able to do geometry correction - but DPP still doesn't read those values. (Put the corrected files back onto the memory card and the camera can't understand them at all.)

PPS I probably should call my XTi a "400Plus," which is the name adopted by the folks doing ROM extensions for the 400D in a CHDK-descended open-source project. They've turned it into a mini-40D by adding spot-metering and a top ISO of 3000, plus lots of other gimmicks, like interval shooting and the ability to re-purpose the sensor near the eyecup that turns off the display when you raise the camera to your eye, letting you use it as a hands-free shutter-release: just wave your hand behind the camera!

But I'll hold off on implementing Magic Lantern - the sibling project for newer EOS models - until my T4i (there - I've said it: I'm gonna get one!) is beyond its warranty period.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:40 am 
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Philnick wrote:
I doubt the 650D's battery charger would work here.

Is it not the same charger used regardless of the region? As far as I know, only the mains cable differs.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:52 pm 
Just did the currency conversion - it's far, far cheaper to buy the camera in the US and simply buy the bag.

PS Would you believe that bag not only is not included in a promotion in the US, it isn't even for sale here? A search on the USA Canon site for 300EG comes up "not found."

I guess I'll drop in to Calumet Camera and see what they have!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:14 pm 
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DRTV just did their video review of the 650D. While the live view AF has improved considerably over earlier models, it doesn't look great against the recent micro4/3 bodies and more closely resembles the earlier generation ones. That's with what I think was a 24-70L and later the 40mm pancake too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:08 am 
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DRTV just did their video review of the 650D. While the live view AF has improved considerably over earlier models, it doesn't look great against the recent micro4/3 bodies and more closely resembles the earlier generation ones. That's with what I think was a 24-70L and later the 40mm pancake too.


Link, please?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:33 am 
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http://youtu.be/pfINGg4w6XM

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:47 am 
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Since we may post links to DP I'd like to let you know they have a preview-review someting too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:05 pm 
Philnick wrote:
Just did the currency conversion - it's far, far cheaper to buy the camera in the US and simply buy the bag.

PS Would you believe that bag not only is not included in a promotion in the US, it isn't even for sale here? A search on the USA Canon site for 300EG comes up "not found."

I guess I'll drop in to Calumet Camera and see what they have!


So far, there is no special promotion for the 650D known on the Canon website (in the Netherlands). Only promotions are for the 550D, 600D and 1100D.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Philnick wrote:
Just did the currency conversion - it's far, far cheaper to buy the camera in the US and simply buy the bag.

PS Would you believe that bag not only is not included in a promotion in the US, it isn't even for sale here? A search on the USA Canon site for 300EG comes up "not found."

I guess I'll drop in to Calumet Camera and see what they have!


So far, there is no special promotion for the 650D known on the Canon website (in the Netherlands). Only promotions are for the 550D, 600D and 1100D.


My research on camera bags has led me to a camera / laptop backpack from Case Logic (the SLRC-206) that holds the camera (with a lens on it) face down on a wide rubber hammock with a large flapped hole in it that you put the lens through (the flaps let it hold lenses of different sizes). Talk about shock-absorbers! I just have to measure my laptop (it's in residence at my girlfriend's place) to make sure it will fit.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:01 pm 
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DRTV just did their video review of the 650D. While the live view AF has improved considerably over earlier models, it doesn't look great against the recent micro4/3 bodies and more closely resembles the earlier generation ones. That's with what I think was a 24-70L and later the 40mm pancake too.


Talking about DigitalRev. Has anyone ever bought anything at their webshop? I know their youtube video's are pretty amazing, but their store seems cheap as well. I can emagine that they get 'sponsor'-discount prices which is why i'm not surprised that the prices are low. I would like to know if anyone has any experience buying anything from them. The 650D is 780 euro (+ free sending cost) there while my local reseller clings to the adviceprice of 849 euro.


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Possibly belongs in another thread, but I have bought a bokehlicious t-shirt from them. Nothing expensive yet. I don't know about their policies outside the UK, but their prices are low as they're grey imports. Warranty would then have to be dealt with by DR and not local Canon. If I go for the 40mm I will probably use them, as they're some 20% cheaper than best UK current pricing.

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