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I believe it will also be at the Focus on Imaging event at the NEC, starting on Sunday.

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A truly impressive piece of kit, I can almost forgive it for not being a Nikon... :P

Anyway, I just have to say it, I just can't understant why Canon (even as Nikon in its new D800) hasn't embedded a GPS receiver on this camera, shame on both of you! And don't give that nonsense about the metal body, if a GPS receiver can work beautifully in my iPhone 4 or in my sister's TZ10 (metal body, BTW), I just don't buy any excuse Nikon or Canon can give, it's just another way to rip-off their customers with extremely expensive GPS accesories that, on top of things, leave you without the hotshoe.


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Looks good, except for the price. £2,999 equates to less than 1.17 dollars to the pound sterling. I know this often happens when prices move across the pond and the US price is probably before tax, as every state has it's own tax rate, and the UK price is with tax at 20%. That would still require an exchange rate of 1.4 dollars to the pound. At present the rate is 1.593 dollars to the pound.

Definitely too pricey at the moment.

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Customizable file names! You can put change the first 4 characters from (IMG_) – helps when you’re using multiple cameras you can know which camera shot which file. Very helpful to teams and movie productions!


I want that! Almost worth the 3k in itself...

Basically I find it mildly annoying I sometimes get filename clashes when I'm shooting with multiple bodies at the same time.



I'm still looking at the details. I want everything, but I don't need anything. If I were to design one full frame DSLR to do a bit of everything, this is what I would have come up with. But I've moved beyond that, and I want the best tool for a specific job. This isn't that camera. Think I'll wait for the 7D2.

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Is there a need for a 7D2? Price point and FPS I guess there is, however the AF sounds great on this new 5D.


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My biggest gripe with Canon's recent announcements is there is no new "reach" option on the high end. Even the 1D4 helped out there.

Maybe they can work around it if they had put in wide area f/8 AF to allow the use of extenders, but no camera has ever had that to the best of my knowledge. I would take the other option, which is the high MP to allow better crops to the same effect. Copying the Nikon 36MP would be an ok minimal starting point, although the sweet spot doesn't kick in until 45MP or so.

As such, the 7D is the only player left in that area. The sensor is due a refresh at the minimum, maybe they can squeeze in a few more AF points too in a mk2. But all this probably belongs in another thread. Fundamentally, the 5D3 is in no way a replacement to the 7D.

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You make a fair point. My limited experience of sports photography resulted in cropping quite a lot, which of course is easier with higher resolution.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:04 pm 
Is it only me who thinks this is vastly overpriced expecially when compared against the new Nikon D800? I mean 3k for petes sake that's just outrageous when the Nikon out specs it in several areas most notably pixel count.

Had been hoping for something to upgrade my 40D and if it was priced around D800 price point £2400 would maybe have stretched to it.

5D2 is out of the question due to the poor AF compared to my 40, maybe go for a 7D or wait for the new version - have to wonder what that's going to cost tho ...

If I had less Canon kit would be sorely tempted by the D800...


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Confirmed here Bob!

http://www.focus-on-imaging.net/news/?p=785

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Gear lust, activate.

I cannot wait to buy this camera... I'll reiterate what was said a few posts back: they took everything good from all of their top-end cameras and put it into one small package. Holy crap. I haven't been this stoked for a piece of equipment since ever.

And seriously, I think the biggest things (aside from AF improvements) for me are the ergonomic upgrades. The 7D is just a dream to hold, versus the 5D2 which feels plasticky, weak, cheap, and uncomfortable in comparison. Heck, even the CF card door on the 5D2 flexes in my hands and I'm not even holding a heavy lens with a death-grip on the camera. Unacceptable IMO, but I'm glad they've fixed it.

Really enjoyed Ascough's review!

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And seriously, I think the biggest things (aside from AF improvements) for me are the ergonomic upgrades.


So Plymer, you really think it worth an extra £1400 over the mkII for ergonomics? Crikey ...


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Hi folks,

Price comparisons with current 5D2 prices certainly focus the mind but remember that when the 5D2 was introduced the body only price was expected to be £2299 GBP / €2499 EUR / $2699 USD. For the UK after three and a half years of inflation I reckon (very roughly indeed) that in today's money that would be around £2550. The 5D3 priced at £2999 GBP / €3569 EUR / $3499 USD is certainly more expensive but, for UK buyers after taking account of the hike in VAT, the difference is only about 15%. Prices will fall - even the UK street price of a 5D2 from a main Canon reseller fell about 15% in four months. :idea:

Is Canon being a little greedier than they might be? Of course they are but they'll charge what they think the market will bear!

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I mean 3k for petes sake that's just outrageous when the Nikon out specs it in several areas most notably pixel count.


Keep in mind that the Nikon D800 can no longer claim better noise with that many MP in a FF sensor when the 1DX has better performance in noise, just Imagine what the 5d3 can produce. Canon did the right thing with keeping it at 22.3MP

And one thing I learned quickly in the feild and in this forum, specs mean nothing if it doesnt work. I mean the D7000 sports 7fps but its pointless if it only lasts for 3 seconds in jpeg.

the D800 looks great on paper but I have seen Nikon come short in the past - and the recent D7000 is a good example that on paper is on paper, in the feild, we will see - so I will hold my criticism until more users submit their experiences.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:39 pm 
I take your point re performance on paper is not performance in the field - having said that the samples from the D800 so far look very good.

Also don't forget that comparing noise at a per pixel level is not a valid test of real world noise performance. So, any D800 pics would need downsizing to 22MP to compare fairly with the 5D3 and then I'm not sure which cam wins (as noise gets averaged out). Also, having those extra mp is great for when the light is good and you can benefit from cropping to get better effective reach from your lenses or just get a very detailed jpg for giant printing.

Lower pixel density gives you greater fps but that's about it - the D800 has this covered also tho by allowing you to shoot in DX mode at higher speed if you want to.

Oh well, maybe canon have a 7d2 just around the corner ...


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@Hairyfrog - Not for $3500 no. I thankfully have a FF camera that mostly meets my needs right now, BUT as soon as the price has reached the realm of sanity (<$3000) then I'll definitely be moving to it. When you hold a camera for 12+ hours in a day the little things often mean the most. Like a spring-loaded memory card door. Or a camera that has a battery grip with an extra multi-controller on it. That might make me a sucker in some people's eyes but to me it'd be worth the money.

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