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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:41 pm 
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I saw this on the DigitalRev website for the 17-85mm and the 60D lens kit.

http://www.digitalrev.com/product/canon ... 85mm/Mjg_A

http://www.digitalrev.com/product/canon ... OTc1Mg_A_A

I know its been on the cards for a while, but has the 17-85mm finally circumed to the in house rivalry of the 15-85mm and the 18-135mm?

Hopefully (given time) we should see the prices of the 15-85mm lens travel south, because at the moment they are a bit silly (approx. £550) for a variable aperture lens.

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Who said variable aperture lenses have to be cheap? The Canon 15-85 is comparable with the Nikon/Sony counterparts and is worth it.

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Theres nothing silly about variable apeture lenses.

They are sometimes necessary for one of two reasons:

1) Reduce weight and size - constant apeture lenses tend to have a lot of glass.
2) Most are cheaper to make but does not mean cheaper quality - a lot of people have attributed the 15-85 just as sharp at the 17-55. I would personally go as far as to say that its the second sharpest EF-S lens canon has next to the 17-55.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:33 pm 
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:? Sorry, I'll retract my swipe (unintended) at variable aperture lenses. I know why this lens is more expensive, but I can't understand why it has to be about £200 more dear than the 18-135mm and the 18-200mm (whose qualities lie in their flexible focal lengths).

I've been very interested in the 15-85mm for a very long time now (since it was first launched with the 7D actually), as a one lens option for 'walkaround' purposes with high IQ. My 17-55mm and 28-135mm have been great for walkaround, but have always needed to be backed up by either a wide or telephoto lens to give me compositional flexibility. I'm just looking for the 'one', when I need to walk/ travel light.

I leave no doubt (and believe strongly in what reviews I've read) that the 15-85mm is optically and feature comparable to the Nikon 16-85mm (which is certainly more accomplished than the 17-85mm) but the price between the two makes me ask questions. But then its hardly worth changing systems over £150 is it.

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The 15-85 is a different quality league than the 18-135 or 18-200 lenses, which are built to be cheap and give a long zoom. The only vaguely comparable lens might be the 17-55/2.8.

We all want everything (long, fast, cheap, light, sharp...) but there are limits so we have to do the best we can with what's available. In cases like these I think you do have to go 2 lens if you want higher quality with range. When on a random walkabout and traveling light, I quite like the pairing of 15-85 and 70-300 DO while I had that. I've since replaced it with the L which isn't nearly as small or light, but is better again quality wise.

If two lenses aren't an option, you just have to prioritise and do what you can, and accept some shots may be impractical. Actually, nowadays I also carry around a 16x zoom compact with me. The quality is not going to send the SLR to the bin any time soon, but it can be "good enough" for those odd shots.

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The root of this thread was about pricing. I've been thinking about how Canon has us over a barrel with their pricing, in the UK at any rate, and why I rejoiced at the possibility of a price drop.

For Canons SRP prices for the 15-85mm and the 17-55mm (£900 & £1200) you would have thought you got more; eg a sort of premium cropped 'L' designation, weather sealed build, or at least d**n lens hoods. Nikon gives hoods away with their 'DX' lenses, not to mention the 16-85mm and 18-200mm both having a rubber gasket on the lens mounts.

I have to admit on this issue 'I agree with' Gordon. Does Canon think that people who shoot with EF-S lenses are ignorant or what??!!

Nikon have been truer to their users. They've honoured them with hoods and pull string bags, making a convincing arguement to stay with the camera manufacturers lenses, instead of buying third parties. With Canon the shoes on the other foot; you honour us by buying from us, and the hood, and very rarely the OEM cases.

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Well, if money is something you want to clarrify, lets split this argument into two areas.

1) Canon should give hoods with their lenses, period - its tight and really, come on.

now for the harder argument

2) The reason why the lens is more expensive has nothing to do with Nikon's 16-85. Its nowhere near the quality of the 15-85. There is an extra piece of glass in the 15-85 and therefore making it heavier. Canon uses a higher quality plastic for the lens body and correct me if Im wrong, Canon released the 15-85 with its 4 stop IS system that you now see in the 70-200 f/4IS and the 2.8IS instead of the original 3stop compensation in other Canon Lenses - this is 1 stop more than the Nikon and 2 stops more than other Nikon lenses too.

The Auto Focus on the 15-85 is MUCH MUCH faster than the Nikon, and a lot quieter (although thats kind of a moot point since they are both too quiet to notice anyway, I was just nit picking.)

In the Nikons favour, it has weather sealing at the mount but thats all I know about its seal. The Canon does not.

As for the following swipe, sure, lens hoods for EFS lenses I do appreciate but as far as EFS lenses go, Canon has been pulling out the stops for its newer releases since the image quality and sharpness has skyrocketed from older lenses like the 18-200. The 18-135 is noticeably sharper the 15-85 is sharper still and the 17-55 is just a EFS L lens. Nikon has not been making any super DX lenses, they have been too focused on their FX lenses (or whatever the Nikon version is for an EF lens)

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Nikon have been truer to their users. They've honoured them with hoods and pull string bags, making a convincing arguement to stay with the camera manufacturers lenses, instead of buying third parties. With Canon the shoes on the other foot; you honour us by buying from us, and the hood, and very rarely the OEM cases.


If you look at Canon's lens releases they are making sure that their lenses are of a better IQ than that of other brands (or they are trying.) So yes Canon lenses tend to be slightly more expensive than Nikon in the EFS market - only because they are pushing their lens technology there.

If you look at the EF and L lenses, Canon has been toe to toe with Nikon - even the 70-200 2.8 on both sides are just phenomenal and hardly can be separated in terms of IQ. And Both companies dont make money from their pro market, they make it from the consumer from you.

Canon is obviously pushing and pushing their EFS line, they have 2 more choices of bodies than Nikon and a lot more lens choices in terms consumer friendly lenses like the 18-200 and the 18-135 etc. but its the 15-85 and the 17-55 where Canon want to show off.

Canon obviously wants someone with a 600D in say, 3 years time go, I want to upgrade, but I dont want to have to get a new camera.... I know, I'll get a 15-85 because its higher quality and sharper than my kit. And if L is too expensive then the 15-85 is the upgrade chouce.

Basically its a LATER lens.... Not really a kit lens you get right away, unless you want it that way. I mean I had an Olympus and I kept the kit lenses, but when I wanted to upgrade 5 years later, it wasnt a new body, it was a new lens and it was 2000 bucks, WAY too expensive but I wanted to impriove my photos not get a faster camera with snazzy features. And thats the purpose of the 15-85.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:07 pm 
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In closing, a question to both of you as users of the 15-85mm, is it any good? Actually better than good (for real world use)? Is the reported vignetting such a problem? What are your hang-ups about it?

The reason for asking. The closest I've got to one is a boxed 7D lens kit! :) You'd think I'd find one to see in London won't you!

Cheers in advance.

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My general opinions of the 15-85:
It's sharp. Not prime sharp, but sharp for a zoom.
The IS is within expectations and focus speed is pretty fast.
I didn't notice the vignetting until I saw other people post about it. When I went back and check, it was present in my shots too. But to me it was so unimportant I never noticed it. Note this is primarily about the dark extreme corners when used near widest angle. Throughout the rest of the range it is not particularly significant.
The hood is pointless. I wish I never bought it. Because it is a wide angle capable lens, the hood is designed not to block at 15mm. At 85mm it provides no real benefit other than some minor protection for the front of the lens. I don't bother taking the hood out with me, let alone use it. Probably should sell it on...

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It's hard to decide what lens to use. My prime is like pin sharp when required, yet the 18-55 isn't. It is good enough, but not as good.

There's not many EF-S (cropped) lenses made either, and the L series are all full frame so you don't get so much of a wide angle.

I look at reviews and sample images, but it still doesn't make the decision.

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