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Another tidbit I just found out: In the announcement of the D700 in July 2008 the price was listed as 2599 EUR. Now 3.5 years later we have a price increase of 11%. That equals just 3% per year.
Not bad, isn't it?

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Just looked at a few pics of the camera. Does it not have the U1 & U2 memory/user settings?

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"U1 & U2 memory/user settings"
What's that good for?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:01 pm 
Fastest $3,000.00 I ever spent!

I'm already trying to justify keeping my D300s for the faster frames per second I want in tracking birds in flight, and I WILL NOT give up my D700 no matter what Nikon says... I have an old AF 300mm f/2.8 ED and I can't wait to see if this will max-out it's resolution limits! LOL

I'm foregoing the D800e not because I don't want to wait or the extra money, but because I primarily use FX for portrait and event photography, and the Moire issue is more trouble than the extra clarity justifies for what I shoot. Though it may eventually become my second FX body when my D700 finally doesn't make sense to rebuild anymore. (2017, or later I hope!). A 4-year cycle to move to the next big innovation like "HD 4K" in the D900/900e.

I'm still holding out hope that they will make a carry-friendly high-FPS nature camera to directly replace the D300s. I don't see lugging a D4 on a trail, but I don't want to lose the 7-8FPS I get with my D300s and D700 when I use the MB-D10 grip.

Are others planning to keep their D700/300(s) cameras as well? If so, for the speed, or other reasons?

My wife would love nothing more than for me to sell every piece of equipment I have when I get this, but that just isn't happening! LOL


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Welcome to the club, knorris908! :D
We'll keep the D300 for wife: The 1000g of a D800 body plus 28-300 will be too much too handle with her small hands.
D300 plus 18-200 is more appropriate.
But for both of us: Speed is not an issue. I have the D300 always at CL.

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Ah, facts, facts, facts regarding file-size and buffer (all FX NEF RAW):
12 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 57/32/29MB
14 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 74/41/36MB

And the buffer size is (again FX):
12 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 18/21/25 images
14 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 16/17/20 images

For DX the buffer size is:
12 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 30/38/54 images
14 Bit, uncompressed/lossless/compressed: 25/29/41 images

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why hasn't Nikon posted any images above iso 640, if so please give a link.

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According to Nikon http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/0207_dslr_01.htm

`The D800E with specifications for even greater resolution with an effective pixel count of 36.3-million pixels.

In-camera disabling of the aliasing and moiré pattern reduction operation performed by the optical low-pass filter built into the D800E allows light passing through a NIKKOR lens to strike photodiodes directly for even greater resolution. This makes this model optimal for landscape and artistic photography with which higher resolution and clear definition is demanded. With the exception of the modification indicated above, all other functions and characteristics are the same as with the D800
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Does that mean the 800E does have the AA filter, but you can turn it off if you want? :?

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Hmm, "In-camera disabling" sounds indeed odd. But all that I know is that you cannot turn the AA-Filter back on in the D800E. It is permanently replaced by another piece of glass.

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Does that mean the 800E does have the AA filter, but you can turn it off if you want?


I honestly hope so! I'd hate to think that we're being asked to pay more money for a device that is only MISSING a component rather than it being a case of a modified device to make that component configurable...

That would be about as hard to swallow as:
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Here's a new Porsche with turbo giving it 340HP and it's asking price is $320K. Now here's the exact same car, but without turbo giving it only 260HP and it's asking price is $350K. But hey, it gets 2mpg more than the 340HP, so it's worth the extra cost....


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The number of D800E that Nikon indends to produce is probably much smaller than the number of D800 models. That brings costs of the D800E up.
They would also not simply remove the standard AA-filter but have to replace it by a different, much weaker one. Otherwise the Bayer demosaicing would not work.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:28 pm 
I completely see your point, and sympathise with Nikon's production cost models.

I guess I'll just have to shoot the two side-by-side before I'll be able to motivate myself to drool over the D800e.

I realize that I'm setting myself up just like the guys in PC history who said, "Hey NO ONE will ever need more than 640K of RAM! Let's set the memory ceiling there." but just HOW much sharpness do I need in "real-world" shooting. After a point, I just have to believe that more variation in sharpness will result from technique, shifting elements in the lenses, and "chance" than anything else.

That said, I totally see the value of the D800e for PROFESSIONAL large format and technical product shooters. I'm just not one of them, and I doubt seriously that I am skilled enough to draw-out the added sharpness on a regular basis in real-world nature or portrait shoots anyway.


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Hi folks,

One cost factor that hasn't been mentioned is glass. That sensor is going to be very demanding, especially in the corners of the frame. If you want an ultra-wide zoom then I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) there's only one game in town: the AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED!

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Good point.

I wonder, will this signal the start of a new line of TCs to handle the higher resolution demands too? Ie 2x TC-20b, 7x TC-17b, etc...

I'm not too worried about my 50 f/1.4 or 70-200 VRII, but my Sigma 150-500 OS might be hard pressed to resolve satisfactorily.


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Does that mean the 800E does have the AA filter, but you can turn it off if you want?


I honestly hope so! I'd hate to think that we're being asked to pay more money for a device that is only MISSING a component rather than it being a case of a modified device to make that component configurable...

That would be about as hard to swallow as:
Quote:
Here's a new Porsche with turbo giving it 340HP and it's asking price is $320K. Now here's the exact same car, but without turbo giving it only 260HP and it's asking price is $350K. But hey, it gets 2mpg more than the 340HP, so it's worth the extra cost....


Ken


it's more like....

here's a porsche with three times the horsepower as the last model.

for a 10% more the cost, we'll remove 165 pounds of "wasted weight" ie. the door handles, the radio, and the air conditioning system.

reference:http://www.askmen.com/cars/car_reviews/porsche-boxster-spyder.html

it's only ten percent more. in this business, that's honestly nothing to cry to home about.


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