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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:28 am 
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@Jiko: Interesting that you feel the same!
@Gordon: please help: "ILC"="???". And "sadly", yes that's what it really is...
@Marijn: Great setup :lol:
@popo: would be interesting to see whether Canon has understood the need for smaller gear...
@Bob: Hey welcome fellow OM-user! Olympus did some pretty impressive stuff with the OM, didn't they?

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I may have found a solution!

How do you call that... "thing" between the cameras? :) Might be nice for a sound recorder I have.

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@Gordon: please help: "ILC"="???".
The friendly way of calling an "EVIL" camera ;)

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Ah, the IL is for interchangeable lens, but a Leica M3 would then be a ILC and not a EVIL - because it has no electronic viewfinder. Thanks Jiko!
The only thing I expect from electronic vf: show me the real (impact of) dof!
Even on my OM-screen the dof either
(a) looks greater than it is at fully open aperture, because the vf-screen is still a little too transparent or
(b) cannot be scrutinized well enough when you stop down and the screen dims down accordingly.

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It's a hotshoe to tripod adapter. I mainly use it to mount a small video recorder, but it should work well for sound recorders too.

Costs like 3 bucks if you get it from ebay, or 40 if you get it from a camera store :roll:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Type-1-4-20 ... 20bb1dfc19

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http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com ... -with.html

Found a DSC processor for our theoretical camera! ^^

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I'm sure that one would fit the OM-body - and uses only little battery power.

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I bought my first Nikon FM3A because of curiosity, with its compact size being a factor in that curiosity. I recently bought a second, more pristine FM3A because I found myself really liking the first one, with compactness being a BIG part of it.

The FM3A can be used fully manually, with no battery, or can be used with a tiny battery or two in order for the metering to function.

I am researching various pancake-style lenses to make the package more compact, than with my currently-owned 50mm 1.2 AI-s. (new Voigtlanders, older Nikkors)

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Probably due to electronics, Light meter, batteries, compact flash cards, to help balance out large lenses.

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I have an EOS 3 which is around the same size as my EOS 5D.....

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DP-Paris, I will indeed find it interesting if you find that camera nostalgic. :D

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not nostalgic, but functionality wise it is comparable (has better features even, discounting the eye-tracking focus...) than the 5D2, with a similar size. I still can't stop looking at the back each time I take a photo with it though....

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I'm not following...
Is one of those Canon bodies especially small?

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It was more to highlight that rich functionality, even for older film cameras, comes at the expense of size.

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Not only has size changed over the years, but build quality had also decreased quite a bit. I was looking at my old Nikon FM and Voigtlaender Vito III today, both are built of solid metal, along with my old collection of AI-S lenses. You didn't have to worry too much if you dropped it (of course, that doesn't mean that it was safe to drop it), but if it dropped there certainly wouldn't be as much damage as there would be to a modern dropped DSLR. What's the point of having all of these expensive modern components if they'll all come smashing out to easily? I understand that expensive pro-grade DSLRs have some magnesium alloy and metal, but even they have some plastic parts. Entry level DSLRs are made of almost entirely plastic, something that you would NEVER find on older film SLRs.

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DP-PARIS wrote:
It was more to highlight that rich functionality, even for older film cameras, comes at the expense of size.


Sure, but you can say that about almost anything old with a heavy electronic interface. Now a days this argument will fall short instantly.

Metal chassis gives a false sense of security, because PCB and the components which sits on its surface are as brittle as they come. So unless the PCB is suspended in way to remove the force it may experience at the end of a fall something else needs to take that hit, plastic/rubber being a very good flexible material.
Old SLR's usually don't suffer from this as their electronics has a tendency of being fully bendable copper strips.
The way Nikon/Canon and others is doing this today is great, magnesium alloy and a rubberized exterior. Since the metal is thin and not a solid piece its fairly flexible.
What I would like to see is better weather sealing with the same materials used today, but with hidden thick rubber corners, and rubber linings around the camera.

Entry level DSLR's needs to be cheap and light, metals would ruin that a bit.

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