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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:22 pm 
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6 a.m. PDT on March 24th (Thursday) is when NVIDIA will tell us about the best graphics card they've ever built. The teaser video is at:
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Can't wait to see the specs on this... :twisted:

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This hype attempt from Nvidia is just so silly.

I wonder if it will beat the 6990 or two 6950 in cf. Rumored to cost 800EUR.

Some questionable graphs as well ^^
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We know the specs:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... tcount=782

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Hi folks,

The worthies at bit-tech.net have published a review of the Asus take on the Nvidia GeForce GTX 590 3GB here. I guess if you need it then you need it but having struggled with driver support for applications under SLI in the past I'm afraid I'm no fan of dual GPU configurations and I'm certainly no fan of any card that sucks up roughly an extra 300 Watts when working hard. :evil:

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NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 590: Duking It Out For The Single Card King
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4239/nvid ... rd-king/17

Anandtech review, results like expected. Still though dual 6950 2GB is the way to go, you get a lot more for your money. =)

What are you on about Bob? Of course it pulls a lot more power when it computes more data. This is how every single chip in your computer reacts to load.
Instead try looking at it from a more thoughtful angle, that this multigpu card is more than twice as efficient as the previous generation, the same goes for AMD. And it only took Nvidia about 2 years. ;)

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I was there in the past. Never mind money, heat or noise, just get the fastest you can! In those days, it was called the 6800 Ultra. And that seems to be where this fits in. Thankfully I discovered "good enough" not long after that which saved my a lot of... everything!

Nowadays, I'm more interested in which is the fastest nvidia card in, say, 100W power budget as to go any higher than that I'd need a new PSU... the GTS450 will do me for now.

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Hi Lorride,

If one accepted that current GPUs represented the pinnacle of power efficiency versus computational power then I'd be more accepting. But I'll vote with my feet and, in my own very small way, try to drive the market by waiting for similar performance from a single GPU solution using half the power. Might have to wait another couple of years for AMD or NVIDIA to get there of course. Luckily my GeForce GTX 285 with a custom Arctic Cooling heatsink, fitted by yours truly, is good enough for me right now. It can draw more power than I'd like as well (about 160 Watts either when gaming or running GPU intensive CUDA acceleration) but at least I can't hear it even at full power so I can pretend I'm not wrecking the planet. :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Edit: load power consumption of the GTX 285 added.

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Popo,

This is about the fastest... :p

And I remember the ultra, I actually had a the version under it. ^^ I remember the cooler on it was complete poop, changed it and everything was pleasant after that.
Getting something far cheaper isn't a problem, but if your a gamer or a person that strangely likes nice graphic and frame rate that does not really cut it, and also "future" proofing. I have had my 4870x2 for almost 3 years. It's really starting to falter now, but it handles the games I play good enough so I am satisfied. And PSU? If you buy a 500-700W one your set for the future, it's been like this for a loooong time, the PSU is probably going to die before it's ever fully used.
Still though we aren't far away from complete removal of the low budget graphic cards, much related to Sandy-bridge and similar and that is very nice step indeed.

Bob,

Well, all you need to to do is wait. Same computational power from a single GPU is only about 1.5 years away I bet and you wrote it as well. Probably will be called 670 ^^
However I would start taking shorter showers before I was ever worried about my computers power consumption and wrecking the planet. Which really is only a concern during the season where one does not heat the house. :lol:

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I know this release is about the fastest, since I mentioned it myself.

Personally as far as I'm concerned extreme PC gaming is dead to me. Thankfully they do all scale down well, and in that respect the GTS450 is plenty enough for me and the little non-extreme PC gaming I do these days.

I'm not sure if it's good or bad, but back when I had the 6800U, I sorted the cooling/noise issue by watercooling. What was rather concerning the first time was a puddle of blue fizzing liquid on the back of it when the system sprang a leak. More worrying was I stopped caring about it after it happened a few more times. Just rinse it off under a tap, leave to dry overnight and it was fine the next day. On a £400 card!

Anyway, I'm not keen on high power PSUs as decent ones are really expensive and still don't have that great a life, maybe 2 or 3 years. So on that note I just get a branded 4xx W unit nowadays. The system excluding GPU takes some 200W under load, so 100W GPU takes me up to around 300W sweet spot in terms of efficiency. A higher rated PSU will be less efficient at lower loads than rating.

Today, I'm more interested in the GPU compute capability. Given the right situations,they just destroy CPU performance. And for the uses I put mine to, CUDA is far more developed than... whatever the AMD version is called so that means nvidia or bust for me. I just want as much compute power as possible in around 100W, as that's comparable to a lightly overclocked CPU.

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@Lorride: Of course I may have to eat my words when I see what the performance requirements of the "Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" are. :wink:

Bob.

P.S. Provided I can also do what I do with Oblivion and turn off the combat AI. Too scary with it on! :P

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popo,

Maybe a little extreme, can't argue with that ^^
Still though, looking at gorgeous graphic while playing it with decent fps is a very nice experience in my eyes.

6800U was the **** ;)
I also use water cooling, right now even. And that is a "bit" excessive, but in the something 6 years I have had water cooling, there has not been leaks. It's nice though, great temps, low noise and the ability to heat the legs properly over a radiator :p

I have had my 720W psu for 4 years, only annoying thing with it is a slight wobble from the fan sometimes. However that they have such a short life sounds a bit iffy to me, do you have a source on that?
The efficiency will be less than ideal yes, but this % is rather small.

They sure do.
AMD hw as far as I know ain't to bad, it's their drivers like usual which are complete crap.
Not only there though, Linux drivers as well, Nvidia all the way.


Bob,

We have similar concerns I see, cause I too am concerned about Skyrims need for power :D
The butterflies in my stomach sure flew around when he shouted at the dragon!

Oblivion runs decent, but it's big brothered mod Nehrim lags a lot. You should check out Nehrim btw, you might like it.

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The various PSUs I've had in the past typically had a useful life of up to 3 years. I usually go for Enermax and Antec. But note I tend to run my systems 24/7 under full load, so it's pretty much a soak test for any of the kit. Usually it will manifest as weird failure to boot issues and replacing the PSU fixes that every time. The PSUs will generally still power lower spec systems at that point. I think the modern trend of low noise, and therefore low airflow, isn't helping.

The watercooling rig was me going a step too far. I had waterblocks for two CPUs, northbridge and gfx, combined with the pump, radiator and reservoir. I'm not the best at plumbing...

Still, I do like to look at the hottest kit around although nowadays I'm happy enough with more moderate level kit. Besides, that leaves more cash for camera kit :)

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For added entertainment value if you overclock your new GTX 590 with old drivers then you may see this:
Whoops, that's one expensive video game. :evil:

For more see Old driver blows up GeForce GTX 590 cards. By the way, it seems that the "old" driver used was actually the one that shipped with the card (source). Overclockers beware!

@Lorride Maybe it draws even more than an extra 300 Watts! :P

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:00 pm 
i ve 6950 2 Gb and i can play crysis 2 with extreme graphic settings 1900x1200. (thanks to a patch allow you to adjust AA too) i dont think just a gamer need so expensive graphic card. But such news are always good for the price of old graphic cards.


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You only need one 6950 for that and as far as I know SLi/Crossfire is not yet supported for Crysis 2, you can force it on, but there are some problems with that. My 4870x2 does Crysis 2 fine as well.
It's faaar easier to run than Crysis 1, try doing the same there and watch you computer working hard ;)

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