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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:16 am 
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Have always been, but sometimes things change.

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And sometimes, they don't.

People seem very enthusiastic about Zeiss 35 f2.0:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... =53&page=1

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When I search for Nikon, I don't see anyone mentioning the Nikkor 35/1.4G Af-s, so there is no comparison.

So what changed? I was just telling that a name doesnt immediately mean it is the best around, there is more than 1 "right" opinion, everyone has their own preferences.

EDIT: when searching for "studio comparison", they have both lenses on Photozone.de
Nikon 35 1.4G
Zeiss 35 2.0
Looking at those results I would say the Nikon wins, as it goes even to 1.4 with the same resolution characteristics as the Zeiss (and even features AF)

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I was referring to the Photozone reviews.

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Charts are not everything, especially when they are so close. As Leica, Zeiss lens are famous for their 3D effect, excellent microconstrast and great colors.

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Photozone has lots of images, too.

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Yes : Zeiss pictures look better than Nikon pictures.

No ? Do you prefer Nikon pictures ?

A lot of pictures on Pbase:
http://www.pbase.com/image/104507757
http://www.pbase.com/image/114452892
http://www.pbase.com/image/119820005

not yet for the 1,4 G Nikon...

but many for f1,8 for DX :
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/nikon/nikk ... 8g_af_s_dx
and they look very gook, especially for the price! And the lens is so light!

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I wish more lens tests included consideration of how well the lens(es) handles out-of-focus areas of the image. It's difficult to do because lenses can differ in so many ways in this respect and because there's no one simple measure of "bokeh". People don't even agree on what distinguishes good bokeh from bad. Still... for some of us the way a lens portrays a 3D world when a narrow DOF means only some of it is sharp can be more important than minor differences in corner sharpness. I've seen that one review site makes an effort nowadays to report/test bokeh - I wish more would make the effort.

It so happens that I just finished a comparative test of four lenses including the 35mm 1.8G included in this Camera Labs group test. The others were a Nikon 35mm f/2 Ai-S, Nikon 35-70mm f/2.8 AF, and Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 (one model older than the current one - no VR). I tested how they handle out-of-focus highlights by shooting tiny Christmas lights in a dark room, at both infinity focus and closest focus (with the lights in between at 42 inches). I compared near-center to near-edge at several aperture stops. No doubt the test could have been more complete or done in lots of different ways, but I think the results are meaningful and useful. Highlights rendered as discs of circles of confusion (or whatever you want to call those things - I like to call them bokeh-dots) are just one small part of what constitutes out-of-focus quality, but I find that differences between lenses show up well, and in my opinion ugly bokeh-dots are a real turn-off.

The test results are published as a single image at Flickr: HERE
Please tell me what you think and/or offer ideas for improved testing/comparison of bokeh.

[this is my first-ever post here and I hope it's a welcome one]

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Seems incredibly' difficult to justify the cost of the f1.4...


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Hello MGdeABQ, and welcome to the friendly Camera Labs forum!
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Your comments on Bokeh are spot on: It's were hard to do a meaningful and easily repeatable test of bokeh. You'll see my try on it with the up-and-coming editorial review of the 35/1.4G.
I also had a look at your test-image(s): You have put quite a lot of effort in it and I agree that oof highlights tend to show some aspects of bokeh. But unfortunately I find it hard to correlate the results you got with real-life bokeh from those lenses.
One additional remark: I think the oval shape of the outer light-circles on the DX 35/1.8G at f/1.8 have to do with the vignetting of the lens. This is an interesting by-product of your test.

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 Post subject: Best 35 mm primes
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I've read your review of the three nikon 35 mm primes. I agree with your opinion of the 1.8 DX on a DX body it works beautifully on my d7000. On my D700 it's performance is mediocre at best and you sacrifice a lot of pixels of resolution to use it. Ivebeen wanting a 35mm prime for the D700 and wanted to know what others' opinions are of the Zeiss distagon ZF.2 35 mm f2.0. It is about half the price of the nikon f1.4 and the Zeiss 1.4. I know the Zeiss 2 is manual focus but I don't always consider that a negative. Opinions?


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Hello Mrfearless47, and welcome to the friendly Camera Labs forum!
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As to your question regarding Zeiss lenses, that is certainly an option and should produce very high IQ too. I'm pretty astonished that there are no other alternatives at 35mm focal length for an FX-shooter.

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Soon there is the Samyang 35/1.4. It is a "budget" MF lens, but could produce quality results

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Nice review Thomas (you're a mod, well done mate). I've been using the DX 35mm f1.8G almost exclusively layely and I really like it. It's a fun lens which is capable of some great results as your tests have shown. Given the budget price I wouldn't hesitate in recommending it to all Nikon users on a budget. Quite a lot of my recent suff over at dA was shot with this lens.

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