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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:37 pm 
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I'm about to purchase my first flash and I'm thinking about getting the 430 EX II, but I'm worried that I might end up regretting not buying it's bigger brother. Should I just spend the extra $20 and get the 580 EX II?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:09 pm 
First off, the difference in price is $165 USD on B&H, not $20 (I think you meant to say $200).

Look at the differences. The 580ex II...
...is heavier
...is larger
...is more powerful - I have read that its 85% more powerful
...is weather sealed
...can turn 180degrees both left and right (430 is 180 to the left, 90 to the right)
...tilts -7 deg. to 90 deg. vertically (430 does not go -7)
...has a built-in catchlight card
...can be a wireless transmitter and a master controller
...has a wheel on the back instead of buttons
...has a socket for an external battery pack
...has an external metering sensor
...has a pc terminal

It costs more, but you get what you pay for. If I were you, I would definately get the 580ex II. Later on, you could always buy a 430ex II to use in addition or as a backup.

EDIT: I forgot to mention...the 580ex II has finer control. It can go from 1/1 power down to 1/128 in 1/3 increments. I believe that the 430 can only go to 1/64 power in 1 stop increments.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:20 pm 
I had the same dilemma a few months back but decided to go safe and went for the 580EX II. In the end I didn't want to be "thinking what if I'd bought the 580Ex instead..."

Trust me you won't regret it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:34 pm 
Had the same problem but I ended up getting the 430EX II. I say both flashguns are very good. It was kinda tight for me financially so I took the 430EX II but no regrets. Its a very good flashgun & I think practically I don't need the features of the 580EX II (at the moment anyway...for my needs) and can always upgrade in the future...but that's me. Enjoy whichever you choose...you'll have fun using it.


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I went with the 580ex II for 3 reasons...

1) more powerful so better for outdoor wildlife shots requiring fill lighting.

2) has the capability of being a wireless transmitter for slave flashes.

3) weather sealing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:38 pm 
I went with the 430 myself-

My camera isn't weather sealed, power is adequate for my purposes at this time, wireless master is no use if I don't have a slave and if I get a 580 in the future I can still use my 430 as a fully ETTL slave.

I'd love to have the 580, but I would have been looking at another $200. I'm going to spend that extra $200 on some cheap RF flash triggers and a couple old manual flashes.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:53 pm 
I also went with the 430EX (non-II). I am very pleased with it and have had zero issues with it.

I bought it before the 7D even existed but am happy I saved the $200 since the 7D has built in remote flash triggering. I could probably use the extra reach of the 580EX at times but that hasn't stopped me from getting good shots with my 430.


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RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
...tilts -7 deg. to 90 deg. vertically (430 does not go -7)
430ex ii does this.

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I know a pro who's won more prizes than I have taken pictures, and he uses the nikon equivalent of the 430 EX II...so I think you're fine with it. It should be powerful enough, unless you want to kill ambient in full sunlight ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:57 am 
Orsan Kart wrote:
RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
...tilts -7 deg. to 90 deg. vertically (430 does not go -7)
430ex ii does this.


This is directly from Canon's site:
"The flash head can be moved up from 0 - 90° (5 settings), left from 0 - 180° (7 settings) and right from 0 - 90° (4 settings)"
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Not that 7 degrees makes a big difference.

I'd also like to correct myself, the 430ex II does go from 1/1 to 1/64 in 1/3 stops, not 1 stop increments.


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Interesting after reading spawn's post. The 580 covers af points of 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, and 45. The 430s don't cover beyond 9 points. Also neither are matched for the new 7d's af points

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RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
Orsan Kart wrote:
RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
...tilts -7 deg. to 90 deg. vertically (430 does not go -7)
430ex ii does this.


This is directly from Canon's site:
"The flash head can be moved up from 0 - 90° (5 settings), left from 0 - 180° (7 settings) and right from 0 - 90° (4 settings)"
Listed Here

Not that 7 degrees makes a big difference.

I'd also like to correct myself, the 430ex II does go from 1/1 to 1/64 in 1/3 stops, not 1 stop increments.
well my findings come direct from my flash, but canon has rehashed old settings by the looks of it :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:10 am 
Orsan Kart wrote:
RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
Orsan Kart wrote:
RHDxSPAWNx wrote:
...tilts -7 deg. to 90 deg. vertically (430 does not go -7)
430ex ii does this.


This is directly from Canon's site:
"The flash head can be moved up from 0 - 90° (5 settings), left from 0 - 180° (7 settings) and right from 0 - 90° (4 settings)"
Listed Here

Not that 7 degrees makes a big difference.

I'd also like to correct myself, the 430ex II does go from 1/1 to 1/64 in 1/3 stops, not 1 stop increments.
well my findings come direct from my flash, but canon has rehashed old settings by the looks of it :shock:


This is incorrect...the 430ex ii does not go to -7 degrees. That's a only 580ex feature.

I also own the flash.

Also direct from the-digital-picture.com

"While the Canon Speedlite 430EX Flash head moves up/down from 0 to 90°, left from 0 to 180°, and right from 0 to 90°, the 580EX II allows an additional -7° down and a full 0-180° rotation right. While both flashes feature a pull-out/flip down wide angle diffuser to cover lenses out to 14mm (FOVCF equivalent), the 580EX II includes a white plastic pull-out catchlight reflector panel in addition. The Canon Speedlite 430EX Flash features 6 custom flash function settings, the 580EX II features 14. Instead of a dial for adjusting settings, the 430EX utilizes rounded parenthesis-shaped buttons. I can understand making buttons safe from accidental changes, but these buttons are narrow and require an excessively deep press to make changes. The dial is much easier to use. "


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:13 pm 
430ex here also. At first it was the price deference is why I went that way. Then I find myself rarely using it but when needed, it works just fine.


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