Free Shipping on ALL Products
camera reviewsbest cameraslens reviewsphotography tipscamera forumvideo toursphotography bookssupport me
It is currently Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:55 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Sigma 17-35mm f/2.8-4 EX
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:35 pm 
How would this lens compare to say the Sigam 28-70mm? It is $100 cheaper than the 28-70mm with more of a wide-angle but will still give me about a 50mm equivalent at its maximum focal length. 1 thing I see wrong with it is that it doesn't have a constant aperture of 2.8 like the 28-70mm and the build quality is not as good. I know that sometime in the future I will get a Sigma 10-20mm so I really will only be ought of the wide angle for a few months.

I could get..

Nikon D80
MB-D80
Sigma 17-35mm
Nikkor 50mm

+ I already have an SB-600
_________________

All for about $1300

OR

Nikon D80
MB-D80
Sigma 28-70mm f/2.8
Nikkor 50mm f/1.8( I could wait on this for a couple weeks

+ I will still have my SB-600
__________________

For about $1400 or w/o the 50mm $1300

Also, what do you know about 35mm vs. 50mm on a cropped sensor? Would it be better to spend the extra 100 to get the real 50mm effect at a constant f/2?


Last edited by Nathan on Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:15 am, edited 2 times in total.

Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:47 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:32 pm
Posts: 9975
Location: Queenstown, New Zealand
Hi Nathan, it seems like you suggest a different kit every day!

It's great you're considering so many possibilities, but I don't think many people here can keep commenting on every different combination, especially when they're often so different. It's also hard for us to spend time helping you weigh up, say, a Sigma versus a Nikon when you then suggest you might go for a Canon body instead.

Once you settle on a new body though and we know what system you're sticking with for the near future, then it'll be easier to discuss and recommend lenses.

Sorry if that seems harsh, but it can be infuriating to spend ages on a reply then find you've completely changed your mind!

I'd also agree with what some others have said - you're taking some fantastic pictures and clearly have a talent here, but I think you're obsessing a bit too much about the kit.

Instead of advising you to go with this lens or that lens, I'd advise you to just go with your gut feeling on equipment and spend most of your time just taking photos rather than worrying about the kit.

Looking forward to seeing more of your photos,

Gordon


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:03 pm 
I know what you mean, but I am sticking with Nikon. I just wanted to see if anyone has any experience with this lens, and yeah I know it seems like I am obssesing a little but I want to make sure I get the right thing when I do order.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
seen it in action, a pretty well built lens although lack of a constant aperture is a little dissapointing.

what do you indend to use it for? I think perhaps the 28-70 or 24-70mm F/2.8 like what I have would suit you needs better, for portrait and still life photography, the fast constant aperture and good general purpose zoom range is pretty sweet.

Wide Angle, if you want to do wide angle, you need to do it right, Sigma 10-20 is what i'd suggest.

But again, judging on what you mainly photograph, which is pretty bloody sweet, 24-70 or 28-70 would suit you better in my opinion.

If you have the cash, 24-70, slightly better build quality than the 28, and with a aperture window which isn't needed but is easier to use plus looks flashy. Not sure if the 24-70 has the same "Creep" problems that my 28-70 has, but even so, they are both well built lenses and its to be expected.

If you want any more info on the 28-70, I'd be more than happy to take whatever type of test shot you'd like, although I have a canon body, the performance is similar to that of the D40/x.

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:49 pm 
That is what I though too, and thanks for the compliment.

Do you think th eextra 4mm justifies for the cost between the 28-70mm and the 24-70mm? Because as you said and I had originally planned, if you are gonna do wide angle do it right with the Sigma 10-20mm. I think I would get the

Sigma 28-70mm f/2.8
Nikon D80
MB-D80
Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

all for about $1400. I think that would be a pretty sweet kit that could hold me off till I saved up the cash for a 10-20mm, but as Gordon, Myself, and many others say... I am always changing ideas. Although I should be pretty solid with this idea since I don't have time to think about anything else right now becuase of all my homework.haha.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
Well tbh 28-70 on a cropped frame is pretty descent for most portrait work, although a 70-300 at some point in the future, e.g. the sigma 70-300 for £149 wouldn't go a miss.

10-20 28-70 70-300

or

12-24 24-70 70-300

Pretty nice combo either way you mix them.

I've not been disappointed with my 28-70 yet, its a really good lens and I've really getting used to this whole F/2.8 constant aperture! The 24-70 looks like it has again slightly better build quality and optics, but still both are part of the EX range so shouldn't be much especially on cropped frame. It does have the focusing distance window rather than a chart on the lens. It is also another CM wider on the front end. making it a whopping 77mm!!! I thought 67 was big! Looks more pro, but really the only reason I would get it above the 28 is if the creep issue is sorted or lesser.

Also is the MB-D80 a grip? (cba checking sorry lol) IF so I would instead think about buying a flashgun, I'm kicking myself that I didn't now because I have to save for that and the 70-300 sigma.

Although on the other hand there is less need because of the large constant aperture of the 2 lenses you are thinking about. But still the grip is pretty pointless as most people can hold the camera portrait normally anyway.


But yeah heres what I think.

Nikon D80 Body Only
Sigma 28-70mm f/2.8
Nikkor 50mm F/1.8
Nikon SB-600

Look on ebay for some bargins, the UK has loads of Canon 580EX II speedlites for over £100 cheaper than they are in jessops, and they are brand new from an Ebay Store - thats almost $200 lol!

But if you see something on ebay your thinking about, drop me a link and I'll have a look at it as well, I won't outbid you don't worry lol (canon ^^)

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:30 pm 
Well I don't plan on getting much zoom, my focus is on the 10-100mm range, more than that I really don't need.

I alread have an SB-600 and with the battery the camera comes with and 2 more batteries I could do up to 7500 pictures with no charge, or with the 2 that will stay in the grip 5000 + an extra! It also gives an extra element of build quality with your camera.

So I am mainly focusing on...

1-- Nikon D80

2-- Sigma 28-70mm f/2.8

3-- Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

4--MB-D80(or the BP-D80 (Opteka) that is $50 cheaper and comes wtih 2 batteries, also I read some reviews and talked to some people and they said the only difference is that he thumb dial is a but stiffer than the Nikon one. I think I could live with that by saving $50 and getting 2 batteries.)

5--I have a SB-600

6-- sometime in the future a Sigma 10-20mm


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
dont rule out short-medium telephotos Nathan.

Less or no barrel distortion, more evident background blurring (esp. with high const. apertures) and they can just get into situations that a standard zoom lens can't.

Most portrait photographers (Been doing research for portraiture in photography class) have a standard zoom lens and a fast cont aperture lens.

e.g.

Canon 28-105mm (w/e it is f/2.8) and a 70-200mm F/2.8 thats what one or two of the books authors that I have say they use.

Trust me, you'll need some sort of telephoto lens at some point.

I thought you were selling the SB-600 my bad, I'd got for the Nikon grip though!

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:40 pm 
If I were to buy a constant telephoto it would probably be the Nikkor 105mm VR f/2.8. I like a bit of distoration too so I don't really see a need in anything higher than say 150mm for me. But it will be a very long time till I get something like that.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2341
Ah, most don't like distortion and make it their lifes work to make sure it isn't there. Although there are some nice effects with distortion, although as a purist, you may not like it, but photoshop often produces great effects!

But yeah I was going to suggest a prime, 105 would do perfectly on a cropped frame. (only suggested zoom because of the macro option + flexable working range.)

Anyway, yeah 28-70 + 10-20 + 105 sounds like a pretty good setup for still life, landscape and portrait!

_________________
Canon EOS 5DmkII + BG-E6 + Canon EOS 40D + BG-E2N + Canon EOS 33
Canon 17-40 F/4L USM + Canon 24-70 F/2.8L USM + Canon 28mm F/1.8 USM + Canon 70-200 F/2.8L USM IS + Canon 85mm F/1.8 USM
Canon Speedlite 580EX II + Canon Speedlite 540EZ + 2 x Nikon SB-80DX
Cactus V2s Wireless Trigger - 5 x Cactus V2s Wireless Reciever

MY FLICKR!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:35 pm 
A trifecta, but I really don't want a 105mm. I would take one if I had the cash but the 50mm and 28-70mm will last me till I get a 10-20mm. Then I just want to focus on stuff like shoots and travel.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:59 pm 
I just found out there is a Sigma 24-60mm EX DG f/2.8 and it is only $220 and this seems like an awesome deal, I read some reviews and I just might go with this.

It is now down to the...

Sigma 24-60mm f/2.8 - $220

and

Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 - $300


Top
  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

All words, images, videos and layout, copyright 2005-2012 Gordon Laing. May not be used without permission.
/ How we test / Best Cameras / Advertising / Camera reviews / Supporting Camera Labs

Webdesign by Alphabase IT
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group