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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:08 am 
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It look like a great camera and with the interchangeable lenses makes it really something to consider. Life with out a viewfinder is good, but with out a built-in flash it's almost impossible.

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Enche Zein wrote:
There is black one

There is a photoshopped all black one floating around, but there is no all black one announced. One has some black parts, but not nearly enough to be called black.


While I'm here, I had further thoughts on the AF speed. Is it the body, the lens or a combination of the two?

Hopefully someone will try this soon:
Oly lens on Pana body
Pana lens on Oly body
...and see how this affects the AF speed relative to sticking with own brand.

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 Post subject: flash ahah...
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:38 am 
I would like to have AT LEAST a led/xenon flash similar to cell phone ones!!!!


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I don't have the cash but my mouse pointer is hovering rather too close to the pre-order button on Amazon :D

Thinking a bit, I wonder if the decision not to fit a flash is due to the small size. A small flash will only have a short range. But here we have a relatively large lens on small body. I wonder if the risk of a flash shadow would be too much.

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After looking at some full-res photo samples, I can see the IQ is comparable to entry-level Olympus DSLR's. That's pretty good. I also like the lens compatibility with 4/3 lenses and those m4/3 lenses from Panasonic.

I couldn't care less about the lack of a built-in viewfinder, but the lack of a built-in flash is indeed annoying.

Overall, since I haven't invested in any DSLR gear yet, I can clearly see this camera was tailored, at least in part, for people just like me and this is a definite potential purchase.

All I need is a date of release... and perhaps the Gordon Laing seal of approval on this camera. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:40 pm 
I think I'll keep my C-2100 aka UZ1 from 2000,it was the best digital camera Olympus ever made even though it was only 2MP. I'm really looking at the upcoming Pentax K 7 as my next camera..if it lives up to the hype, I already have plenty of Pentax lenses. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:46 pm 
What's with the slow AF??? If Panny can make a decent contrast based AF on the G1 and GH1, why shouldn't Oly have matched that? Geez. It's useless to have interchangeable lenses if the contrast based AF system (which is the only AF option in a m4/3 camera) is no better than the contrast based AF on the E620, which is painfully slow even compared to my Panny TZ5. Might as well get the Panny LX3.

Other than the slow AF, I like the new camera. Those samples on that other website for ISO800, 3200 and even 6400 look pretty good. Best 4/3 high ISO sample pics I've ever seen. Now, how about combining that into a SLR camera Oly?? Why couldn't Oly have done that with the E620? The E620 would have been AWESOME.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:48 pm 
Armanius,
I noticed you own a Panny TZ5, I had a TZ4 and it was an awesome camera...had to get rid of it since I realized I missed the optical viewfinder more than I thought. Despite that, the shots at the full 10 X zoom were amazing and I only paid $168 for it brand new. I'm just wondering who this camera is marketed for. Checked Amazon and they want over $700 for just the body. WAAAAAAY overpriced if you ask me.

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Perfect for the lightweight strobist too.

Small camera to go with those small flashes.

I'll definately be keeping an eye on this, I did want an APS-C sensor instead of 4/3 (i hate the sensor ratio) but if I had the money just now i'd definately get this, epecially for holidays etc, pack 3 primes, 2 zooms and a small flash - all taking up about the same space as my 70-200 does!

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You can always crop :) Still over 10MP at 3:2.

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Hi folks,

Olympus USA has a nice feature on the hstory of the Olympus PEN line which you can read here. The page also includes a link to some videos.

In the meantime, from that page here's the family tree from '59 to '66:
    Image Image Image Image
    ..........Pen (1959).................PenEE (1961)..............PenEE (1961)...............PenEES (1962)

    ...................Image Image Image
    .........................PenEES (1962)................PenD (1962)...............PenD (1962)
And now we have (at a different scale, of course):
    .......................................Image
    .......................................................Pen E-P1 2009
If I didn't already own a Powershot G10 I think I'd be ordering one of these even before the test results come in. Micro four-thirds rocks. 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:48 pm 
Hey now, lets quit bashing the autofocus until we get reviews of a production model in. All the reviews so far have been preproduction models with preproduction firmware.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:14 pm 
Hey, that's what happens when Oly lets that other website do a review of a pre-production unit. If Oly thinks that the production units AF system is going to be a snappy performer, they should tell us right now. If Oly doesn't want people to make judgments based upon the pre-production unit, don't release it into the hands of reviewers. Can't get the publicity and exposure and not get criticism. Can't have it both ways. That being said, the camera looks cool!


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While there always have been disclaimers on pre-production firmware, I can't recall a time when there was a significant difference on production units. Not saying there wont be, only that it is more wishful thinking than something likely.

If I hadn't already spent next month's pay I'd also be looking at pre-ordering right now.

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I'm not going to comment on AF until I've tested a final production sample, but yes it would be disappointing if it doesn't at least approach the snappy AF performance of the G1 / GH1.

It's funny, the human condition is to always want more and complain about what's missing or could be done better - such as the relatively low res screen here, but it really does seem that with most new cameras, there's at least one major omission - and here it is the lack of a built-in flash. I know it would have been small, and I know it could have made the body a bit bigger, but I really think it could have done with it.

That said, it looks a lot more usable and flexible than the Sigma DP1 and that's its only real competition in this form factor.


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