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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:54 am 
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Hi,

Thanks for the High-ISO comparison Gordon! This camera has got me really interested. It seems we are getting everything the pricier D5000 offers and more, except the articulating screen.

I however have some doubts you would be able to clear:

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But like its predecessor, the D3000 eschews a number of features which could frustrate more sophisticated owners over time. There’s no exposure bracketing, no depth-of-field preview, no autofocus on older lenses and no battery grip (at least from Nikon anyway), while some settings can take an unnecessary number of clicks to access. We know the D3000 is primarily aimed at beginners who won’t care about any of this, but equally there’s a number of enthusiasts who are looking for a DSLR on a tight budget who’ll be put off.


This is from your D3000 review. Does the D3100 have exposure bracketing, no depth-of-field preview and a super control menu, like the one we get on Canon DSLRs by pressing the Info button where the finger dial can be easily be used to tweak settings, or is the menu the same as the older one where we have to make our way by simply too many clicks?

Also, is a successor to the D5000 expected soon?

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jinay wrote:
Also, is a successor to the D5000 expected soon?

Yes it is expected. Because the D90 (same sensor as D5000) was upgraded to D7000. And the D3000 got a newer (better?) sensor than the D5000. So it is expected to see a D5100 soon with the same specs as the D3100 but with the body of D5000 and some features the D5000 had over the D3000. The D90/D5000/D300s sensor will be end of cycle when the D400/D9000 will be released with the same sensor as the D7000. My assumptions.

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Hi WoutK89,

I too believe the same as you. The D3100 is a sweet deal for the price, but it should include the basic necessities the D3000 misses on like DoF preview and bracketing. The D3000 interface seemed to tedious once you knew your way around, since it needed too many clicks to change basic settings. I hope that's not the case with the D3100, and it features a better super-menu.

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The whole point of the D3000 as compared to models like the D90 and D7000 is its ease of use and this comes at the expense of dedicated buttons and the speed at which you get access to settings.

I don't think this line will have DOF preview or bracketing for a long time, those are non essential features and Nikon needs something to differentiate the models.

WoutK89,

I know those are only your assumptions but what is this D9000? I've never seen any mention of it so where do you think it is going to fit in the line-up?

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D9000 is the top of the DX line in my eyes, so all DX camera will be in the D-000 line. Therefor I said D400/D9000, they could be the same, I am only wondering if this whole D400 will be the name still after the D90 line went to D7000. The D9000 has less room (10 spaces D9000 - D9900) longer life cycle like D300, while the others have 20 (D3000 - D4900) and have a shorter life cycle. It's possible ;-) D400 has already less than 3 spots left to climb, so why not save that space for FX low-end?

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WoutK89 on NikonRumors wrote:
will they make the D300s –> D9000, all DX models in the Dn000 range?
That would indeed give room for the D400 to become FX budget. The D300s –> D9000 would mean also the same as we had before, a longer life cycle because they can go till D9900 as last iteration, and the D7000 –> D8900 as last iteration.
I said on the day of announcement of the D7000 :roll:

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Oh I see what you mean, I always thought of it as follows:

Consumer: Dx000
Semi-pro: Dx00
Pro: Dx

There's a gap to fill with the Dx0 but I think it will be a while before Nikon can go back to using those numbers without causing confusion.

Outside of the US, Canon's naming system is much better.

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Really, really frustrating to know that there is no bracketing and depth of field preview yet! Even my 5 year old compact camera has basic bracketing, but a dslr doesn't!

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There is a very good reason. If they would put it there, no one would have to upgrade their camera. They want you to buy the more expensive cameras ;-)

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Yea, maybe they just want to leave out some obvious features that are very important for the higher models. But since the D5000 is available for about the same price, the only downside i see for the D5k is its older sensor. Does the ViewNX2 support RAW editing, or do you need to purchase the software? If it has RAW editing, it could be am advantage over the D5k which comes with viewnx, which doesn't support raw editing. Surprisingly though, even the D5k doesn't feature DoF preview.

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ViewNX2 is a free software, also usable with the D5000! And yes, it does some basic RAW processing.

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Thanks! Sorry for the repeated posting, but somehow I keep getting questions!

In Gordon's preview, the D3100 id compared to the 550D. But, I feel its closest rival may be its very own cousin, the D5000. They are about the same price and have very subtle differences, some for the D3100 and some for the D5000. Please do a weigh-up of both in your verdict, Gordon! They really, really help!

My friend is currently looking for a budget DSLR, and is stuck between these two models.....

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I am pretty sure Gordon will do so. And why he compares against a Canon model, is so people decided on price, can decide on brand by performance with these previews. If you want to see what the D5000 is capable of, look it up on this forum ;-) For a direct comparison with the D3100 you should wait a bit longer.

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I will be comparing the image quality of the D3100 against the Canon 1000D / XS and Canon 550D / t2i when the review is first published. I may add an additional comparison between the D3100 and D90 (which would also apply to the D5000) in the future.

I will however be weighing the D5000 up against the D3100 in the verdict as they cost about the same right now.


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Gordon Laing wrote:
I will however be weighing the D5000 up against the D3100 in the verdict as they cost about the same right now.

That is what I meant, I know you always do :-)

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Hi,

Thanks a LOT Gordon!!

An interesting thing I noticed:
This camera can set the Auto ISO limit, and manual ISO options are available in 1EV steps. With the D5000 and D90, I believe manual ISO options are available in 1/3EV steps. However the D3100 can use "in-between" ISO values when shooting in Auto ISO. What would be the reason we can't choose those "in-between" values manually like on the D5000?

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