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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:16 am 
Hi Everybody !
soon i will buy a D200 Nikon ! What can u guys advice me ?
What mean VR Lens ?
What's the difference between Nikon 85mm f/2.8 PC Micro Nikkor Manual Focus Lens and Nikon 12-24 mm Lens ?(which one is better)?
Thanx !
PS: ? What do you think i would need from these accesories to add to my future D200 ? Please have a look down ? Any new suggetions besides what i mentioned in all my message ? Thank You !
D200 BODY ONLY (obviously)
Nikon 12-24 mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens
Nikon CF-D200 Semi Soft Case
Nikon En-EL3e Rechargeable Lithium Ion Battery
Nikon MB-D200 Multi Power Battery Pack
Nikon MC-36 Multi Function Remote Nikon R1 C1 Wireless Close-Up Speedlight Outfit
Nikon SB-400 AF Speedlight for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras
Nikon SB-800 AF Speedlight Flash
Nikon SB-600 AF Speedlight Flash
Quantaray Ultra-Fine Microfiber Cleaning Cloth
Nikon Lens Pen Cleaning System
Nikon MB-D200 Multi Power Battery Pack
Lowepro Slingshot 200 All Weather Backpack (Black)
Lowepro SlingShot 300 All-Weather Camera Backpack (Black) (amazon.com)
Nikon 85mm f/2.8 PC Micro Nikkor Manual Focus Lens
SanDisk Extreme IV CompactFlash 2GB


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I can personally recommend the SB-800 but wouldn't buy a 2GB SD card but a 8GB SDHC card! If you want the best, wou'll be shooting RAW+jpeg meaning the 2GB card is full after 150 shots :shock:
As a lens I recommend the Nikkor 18-200mm VR as your main lens and complement it with a good macro and a ultra wide. My personal preference would be the Sigma 10-20mm as it goes wider than the Nikkor 12-24mm, but unfortunately, there is no test about this lens at Camera Labs :(
An additional Nikon En-EL3e is a "must", the wireless remote a "nice to have". For other things have a look at my signature.
But beware the 12-28mm is a wide angle zoom, whereas the Micro Nikkor 85 PC is a very specialized macro/shift lens - I'm not sure whether you'll have much use for the latter...

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Hello Bulls23_mj, welcome to the Cameralabs forums!

I noticed you have asked the same question in several sections. There's no need to do this, and you'll get a better response if you only post your question in one place. So I have deleted your other posts. This also means you only need to check one place for replies.

I found your list very interesting. You've listed a lot of specialist closeup equipment. Is this something you're interested in, or have you been offered a good deal on it?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:14 am 
I dont know a lot about SLR cameras and also about photography in general but i discovered lately a new passion of mine,which is PHOTOGRAPHY !
And here i am,searching and researching as many informations about it.
I read about 5D and D200 and i am almost 100% sure that i will purchase the D200.
For the D200 what lens do you think i should buy ?
tombomba2 said to me that Nikon 18-200mm VR are better than Nikon 12-24mm f/4 ? What do you think ? cause i see that the Nikon 12-24mm f/4
are much more expensive than the Nikon 18-200mm VR.How do u explain that ?Which one is wider between these 2 lens ?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:50 am 
The 18-200mm VR is better for most situation. The 12-24mm is wider. The 18-200 VR is a good general purpose lens which cover wide angle to medium telephoto. The 12-24mm is wider but cannot zoom as far. Buy the 12-24mm only when you shoot a lot of wide angle for landscape.


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By the way, bulls23_mj,
"VR" with a Nikon lens means, that it has image stabilization. It prevents in many - but not all - cases, that your pics are unusable due to shake!
So especially under low light conditions, shooting freehand or with the large magnifications when you use a macro, or if you have a long tele-lens or the 18-200mm at the long end a "VR" lens can help a lot.
So I really would advise, if you're into marco photography, to get the Micro-Nikkor 105mm VR rather than the 85mm PC. It's much easier to use, makes excellent photos and has image stabilization "VR".
As an example, see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38912116@N00/368364321/
If you want the best flash: buy the SB-800 speedlight!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:25 pm 
Please wait !
First of all i dont know what means macro photography ?(as i said at the beggining i am new into the Photography World)
When do you use macro lens ? Whats the difference between Nikon 105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor and the 18-200mm VR ? Do i really need to buy both lens ?
Do i need to buy also the Nikon 105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor besides the 18-200mm?(which will be my main lens for my D200)?
When u mentioned the Micro Nikkor 85 PC did you mean the Nikon 85 mm f/2.8 PC Micro-Nikkor Lens ??
Which one is better between the Nikon 85 mm f/2.8 PC Micro-Nikkor Lens and Nikon 105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor?(is any difference?)
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I saw on a site this lens(Nikon 200 mm f/2G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor Lens)...what are they for,when do u need them?...PS:damn....they're expensive...lol
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PS:For now i am ready to buy :
the body of D200(obviously),the SB-800 speedLight and the main lens
as u guys adviced me the 18-200 mm VR...the rest i need to understand more before i make any decision...
Any good good bags or case from LOWEPRO can you guys advice me on my future D200 ? ..just to fit the body of D200,the SB-800 speedLight and maximum 2 lens ? Lowepro Slingshot 200 All Weather or Lowepro SlingShot 300 All-Weather ? or maybe these 2 bags are too big ?i never seen them in reality....
Thanx a lot for all the advices i get ! ....hope good ... lol


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Ok, bulls23_mj!
Go easy. Just buy the Nikkor 18-200mm VR lens as your standard everyday lens! (plus the flash, the SDHC card, the battery, etc.)
If you're new to photography that should give you excellent equipment and a lot to explore.
I would decide at a later point in time whether you love to go closer and shoot little things (then you need a macro-lens, which in Nikon-speak is called a Micro-Nikkor) or if you want to go farther (then you need a tele-zoom, something like the Nikkor 80-400mm VR) or you need a wider field of view for great landscape or architecture shots (then you need an ultra wide angle zoom-lens like the Nikko 12-24mm or the Sigma 10-20mm).
But for now buy and try the 18-200mm VR and you will not be disappointed! (Just read Gordons excellent review here: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikkor18200mm/)
By the way: The Nikon D80 is also a phantastic body and saves you some money and bulk to carry around. Featurewise it has more than enough of what you'll need!

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I'd agree with Thomas.

While I admire anyone keen enough to buy all the equipment you're talking about from day-1, I'd still recommend just going for the body and an 18-200mm VR lens to start with. Then see how you get on.

The 18-200mm VR is the perfect general purpose lens and you might find it's fine for everything you want. In your first few months of DSLR photography though you may discover you'd like to do more. For example:

If you want to fit more in the picture, like a massive landscape, then consider getting a wider angle zoom, like the 12-24mm.

If you want to zoom-in closer to distant subjects like wildlife, sports or celebrities (!) then consider getting a telephoto zoom, like the 80-400mm.

If you want to take pictures of small things which are really close to the lens like flowers or insects, then consider getting a macro / micro nikkor lens.

But for starters, the 18-200mm VR will be fine!

As Thomas says, you might want to consider getting the D80 instead of the D200. The picture quality is essentially the same and it has all the features most people would want, but is quite a bit cheaper.

The D200 is designed for professionals or really serious enthusiasts and is bigger, heavier and has features you might never use. But if you want one of the best DSLRs around, and it's in your budget, then by all means, go for the D200!

I don't think you'd be disappointed by the D80 though.

One last note though: as Thomas says, make sure you buy a nice big memory card (eg, 2GB but check for compatibility (thanks for reminding me Thomas!)), but also be aware the D200 and D80 use different types of cards. The D200 uses Compact Flash memory cards, whereas the D80 uses SD memory cards. And if you go for the D80, it's best to use the latest SDHC cards,

Gordon


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With regard to memory, the possibility of the D80 to use all existing SD cards up to 2GB plus the latest and greatest :D SDHC (HC=high capacity) cards up to 8GB today and even up to 64GB tomorow for me is a reall benefit of the D80 over the D200.
And beware bulls23_mj: I thought I could use a 4GB standard SD card and really got into trouble (meaning loosing all photos on the card :shock: ) because they operate outside of the SD specification. So with the D200, playing it safe means you're restricted to 2GB which seems like a lot, but that's only 150 photos in highest quality.
And if you're out there with such fine gear, boy, believe me: you're gonna shoot more than 150 pics :!:
So you either buy 4xSD 2GB cards for the D200 or one 8GB SDHC for the D80 and forget bothering about whether you have (incidentally) left the other cards at home :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:13 pm 
Well,you guys definately convinced me to get the 18-200 mm VR as main lens for my future D200 so i will start this way 18-200mm VR.
Also wanna buy da SanDisk Extreme® IV CompactFlash® 8GB(Price:$639.99 )as the latest tehnology...a bit too expensive but i'll see wot i can do...if not afford i will get the 4GB SanDisk Extreme® IV CompactFlash
As a flash light what can u guys advice me ?
between the Nikon R1 C1 Wireless Close-Up Speedlight Outfit and
Nikon SB-800 AF Speedlight Flash :?: :idea:
There is any difference between these 2 speedlights ? When exactly do u use one and when do u use the other one ?
I dont realy know anything about speedlights ? U only use them when is night(dark outside)?


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Flash: Buy the SB800 - it's simply the best! The R1C1 is only for close-up (special) photography! The SB800 can be used at night or in situations like parties with only little light and has much more power than the build in flash.
Memory: $640 for 8GB wtf!?! I get 8GB SDHC for my D80 for EUR75 i.e. bellow $100! So buying the D200+8GB CF costs you $1000 more than the D80+8GB SDHC :shock:
Surfing a little reveals that the street price for SanDisk 8GB Extreme CF IV is around 400EUR so you should get it at $500 but for the same money you get the Sandisk 16GB Extreme CF III or take the SanDisk 8GB Extreme CF III for around $250 streetprice! With min 20MB/second sequential read and write speed that's more than enough for the D200!

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Hi Bulls23_mj, those prices you've seen for memory do look expensive.

I've prepared some links below to our price checking service which should give a good idea of how much they're going for in the US. Hope it's useful.

SanDisk Extreme IV 4GB

SanDisk Extreme IV 8GB

SanDisk Extreme III 16GB

Not sure what's the best price you've seen for the body and lens, but Amazon.com are selling the Nikon D200 and 18-200mm VR for about $2200 - check the link for the current offer.

Also note in the past, this lens has been quite hard to find on sale by itself, so if it's not in stock, buying it with the body as a kit may be easiest.

Hope the links are useful,

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 Post subject: price of D200
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:09 am 
I found today a store and i called them asking bout the price of D200
and they told me 1500$(body only).
What do you guys think about this price ? Gordon ? Thomas ?
All the sites here in USA that they say they have the 18-200 mm VR they dont have them... i called many many shops and they told they are waiting so bad to get the 16-200 mm VR , and there are a lot of people waiting so bad for this lens(18-200 mm VR).
Now i gotta wait too same as other people,i have no choice.... :x damn it.
What's the difference between SanDisk Extreme IV 4GB and SanDisk Extreme III 4GB ?


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Hi Bulls23_mj, you can get a better price than $1500 for the body.

Check this link to our price checking service: Nikon D200 body only

Or from Amazon.com: Nikon D200 body only

As I said before, the 18-200mm seems to be in very short supply everywhere, but you might have more luck buying it as a kit with the body, such as from Amazon: Nikon D200 and 18-200mm

They claim to have it in stock if you buy both together.

Hope that helps,

Gordon


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