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Alternatively, it's worked for me for ~14 years, why do I need to change it?

I only reluctantly moved from 2k to XP in late 2007 when MS started crippling their software to not run on 2k and lack of support for more than 2 cores. The only reason I'm looking at Win7 at all is the longer term need for >4GB of ram.

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Hi popo,

Does the workaround described in "Classic" menu option does not exist in Window" Yes it does, but MS denies it! help?

I too will be very sorry to see the classic Start menu disappear, if that's what has actually happened in the RTM version. :evil:

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Alternatively, it's worked for me for ~14 years, why do I need to change it?

I only reluctantly moved from 2k to XP in late 2007 when MS started crippling their software to not run on 2k and lack of support for more than 2 cores. The only reason I'm looking at Win7 at all is the longer term need for >4GB of ram.


Such users make the jobs of us sotware engineers ... interesting. :)


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Bob, I haven't tried that, and while it is kinda there, it kinda isn't too.

pgtips, I'm a hardware engineer :P I find it annoying that interface decisions are forced in this manner, with no good reason for having to ditch the old display method totally. It's not like they can say they're not good at it, or never done it before. Is keeping the classic menu going to really turn Win7 back into Vista bloat? We're not talking about some obscure feature that no one uses, this is something that will be used regularly.

Most likely, I'll will adapt my style to the new taskbar docks as a kind of super quicklaunch for the majority of popular software launches, so the start menu will decrease in need anyway.

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I found the change in the XP start menu mostly aesthetic and while the Vista start menu was quite good I couldn't get used to it. After using spotlight and quicksilver on the Mac, I don't think I quite like the current start menu in Win 7.

I hate the new taskbar though, seems like an attempt to imitate the dock in OSX when Microsoft had did it fine to begin with. Fortunately, it can be returned to the "classic" taskbar.


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Low resolution screens should be banned!

1368x768 / 1280x800 should be the lowest resolution on any 16:9/10 screen made for running a desktop OS on.

All portable devices should be 840x480 (480P ED)

Anything 15inches or bigger should have to be 1080P.


Also, I use XP Pro still with the Classic theme and start menu with all visual effects apart from show window contents while dragging - turned off. :D

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I have the original Eee PC which was 840x480, and it was very challenging to use with most operating systems due mainly to the lack of vertical height. Win2k was the least worst, maybe because monitors were smaller in the days when it came out.

The 1024x600 of the Asus One is much better, and I'd say about the practical minimum for a modern desktop OS (even if it's downsized for netbooks). Win7 is quite usable at that resolution, with slight gains possible from a small reduction in font sizes.

I do like the Win7 dock, but will not compare it to other OSes as that belongs in another thread.

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To get a bit back on topic, I've been running the final version of win7 for a while now, and am very happy with it. It feels very natural on my laptop's 1368x768 screen. Boot times are good, battery life is also quite good.

The only thing that didn't really do the job for me was the XP mode (virtualised XP environment with desktop integration). Perhaps unsurprising, but I found that VMWare did a far better job, with less lag and better integration through unity. :)

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Unity mode is awesome. :)


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I'm currently developing a website and use a USB stick to move the content between my Windows 7 RC desktop and my Windows XP netbook. There's about 2,700 files totally 60Mb. To transfer in either direction, I delete the directory on the stick, and copy the directory from whichever machine I've been working on.

The Windows 7 RC machine takes around 10 minutes to delete the files, and over an hour to write the new set. The XP netbook takes 2 minutes for the delete, and just over 4 minutes for the write.

There is clearly something wrong!


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Stil using Win7 on the netbook. I'm rather liking it too much, but buying even the cheapest version will be half the cost of the netbook was in the first place!

I've also been comparing it against vista... subjectively vista feels a lot slower, but that's hard to quantify. I think vista is still doing a lot of things in the background.

I did do a boot test. From the OS choice boot menu until the password window is displayed in full, I timed it at a best of 32 seconds for Vista, and 24 seconds for Win7. Both OSes are fully patched up to date and partitions defragged. Win7 is pretty consistent in boot time, but for reasons I don't understand, Vista does vary. While 32 seconds was best, the longest was over double that.

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Hi everyone, I've created a new stickie for Windows 7 here:

http://www.cameralabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18034

I'll lock this and ask we continue there, thanks!


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