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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:39 pm 
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Bonsoir,

With so many things to carry, I went for a bag.

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Please find my :arrow: Lowepro Rezo 190 AW Camera Bag User Review.

Enjoy :!:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:51 am 
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Bonjour,

I'd like to celebrate my 200th post and the 15,000 views on the very thread :)
Simply amazing :!: Congratulations, Gordon, for the CameraLabs site and this nice place for photo enthusiasts :wink:

Best regards from France,

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Thanks Rei, but we should also be thanking you for providing such great content on the forum!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:34 pm 
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I discovered :) a new feature on my K10D or, to be more precise, I used a new feature I haven't tried before: multi-exposure.

We know all the classic fountain picture with frozen water (due to high speed) of blurry water (with slow speed).

The weather wasn't nice today, so I played with a quartz Braun alarm clock :!: Obviously, the K10D was on a tripod and I used the IR remote control.

f/22.0 6s iso100 50.0mm (PENTAX K10D + smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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The period was set to 6 seconds and we see the seconds hand clearly 5 times and not so clearly 2 times, all with one second interval.

Now, there's another option with multi-exposure. On the K10D, select MENU > Capture parameters > Page 2/2 > Multi-exposure then select the number of takes and switch auto IL on.

f/4.0 1/20s iso400 50.0mm 4 exposures (PENTAX K10D + smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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The multi-exposure was set to 4, so we see the seconds hand 4 times, 3 with 2 seconds interval and the last with 4 seconds interval.

The auto IL switch makes multi-exposure easy, since it provides the exposure control for all the takes.

Now, I don't now how easy is using that feature on the field :?:

I don't know how to choose between
  • pre-processing: selecting all the complicated parameters in the camera before taking the pictures on the field, or
  • post-processing: taking the pictures as-it on the field then processing them on-house :?:

Have fun :!:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:19 am 
As a new member of this forum, and so much interesting content to catch up on, I've only just caught up with this.

rei_vilo, let me me say WELL DONE and what a joy it has been to read the pleasure you have found in your photography and your "Tool Of Choice". It warms the heart.

As a past owner of a film Pentax K100 fully manual SLR which I had from about 1980 to 2000, it has indeed been an interesting read! That camera was a solid and heavy thing but it gave me not a moment's trouble in regular use all that time. it never got the lenses it desrved however.

You seem to have found some good ones indeed, albeit at a bit of a price.
A suggestion for something less expensive in a walk-around zoom that is less expensive but worthwhile for this model to get started with?

I think I'm inspired.... :!:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:18 am 
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Bonjour MU51CL :!:
MU51CL wrote:
A suggestion for something less expensive in a walk-around zoom that is less expensive but worthwhile for this model to get started with?

I was very happy with the smc P-DA 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED. It was compact and very affordable when purchased as part as a bundle with the *ist DL camera.

Pentax proposes now a very interesting "all-in-one" large zoom smc P-DA 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 ED AL(IF) I haven't tested.

What's important here is the fit between the camera and the lens. The smc P-DA 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED was very fine with the *ist DL but the K10D deserves higher quality lenses like the DA* 16-50mm f2.8 ED/AL (IF) SDMand the DA* 50-135mm f2.8 ED (IF) SDMI reviewed.

If you're looking for both a camera and a lens, check carefully the bundles Pentax proposes. Whilst the K20D is packed with features for high-end users, the newer K200D offers the same 10 M pixels the K10D has but at a very agressive price. Or have a look at the K10D, which price has been slashed due to the upcoming of the 2008 models.

I hope Gordon is going to post video tours for both cameras soon :!:

Enjoy :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:17 am 
From Australia "Gidday Mate"! :)

I am certain that I will not make the same error I made with my last Pentax and not give it the lenses it deserves.

As the "2-series Pentax" are just released, the quick search shows pricing in this country along these lines at a retailer I found:
K10D body $A939 ($A1049 with 18-55 kit lens)
K200D body $A939 ($A1249 with 16-45 f/4 lens in kit)
K20D body $A1585

The 16-50 lens you have goes for ~$A1199 locally as a separate item!
A good price on the 50-135 is $A1499....much as I would like them both, not just at the moment.
Compared to Pro Nikon lenses and Canon L that is probably good value though. The Nikon Pro 17-55mm f/2.8 is $A2199 locally! Yikes!

At the same place a Nikon D80 body compares at $A1149 which is quite sharp for a Nikon Australia warranty product (a lot of grey market around).

I think like you I am not a fan of the maxi-zoom like 18-250 which is $A699 here. The 50-200 lens is $A380 by comparison.
There are things about the maxi-zooms of Nikon (18-135 and 18-200VR)that I am not keen on, versatile as they are. And I imagine they are quite good examples of the type.

The K200D with 16-45 f/4 lens is looking a good option but I still haven't actually seen a proper review as yet, just previews. I haven't actually seen one to hold and try etc.
I note that store is doing a package of K200D with the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC macro lens for $A1249, same as the deal with Pentax 16-45mm lens. Well-reviewed lens, perhaps a good option?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:52 pm 
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Bonjour MU51CL,

The market is full of great offers and picking one camera is a very difficult task.

I only know the *ist DL I used with the smc DA 18-55 mm f/3,5-5,6 AL and the smc P-DA 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED and the K10D I'm using with the DA* 16-50mm f2.8 ED/AL (IF) SDM and the DA* 50-135mm f2.8 ED (IF) SDM. I tried and compared old and new lenses. So I couldn't comment on other brands and models. Nikon owners are very happy of their D80 too :)

The smc DA 18-55 mm f/3,5-5,6 AL wasn't so good and has been since replaced by the DA 18-55mm f/3,5-5,6 AL II :!: The smc P-DA 50-200mm F4-5.6 ED zoom is versatile and compact and provides good quality pictures.

Just a few hints:
  • Ergonomics are going to make the difference between a camera you're actually going to use and a camera you're not going to use. Best is to check by ourself how the camera fits on hands, how the view-finder looks...
  • Last year cameras are fully tested and reviewed, so you know where you're going, plus slashed prices and availability. Instead, you need to wait for this year cameras to be reviewed and available on stores.
Good luck with selecting your camera :!:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:25 pm 
Thanks again rei_vilo

I found a dealer in the City who has the K10D in a combo for $1249 with that Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC macro lens, which I had seen much about previously and liked the look of.
Seems a popular choice with the Pentax dealers.....and well-regarded as well as practical for my needs at this stage.

I can lay my greasy hands around that one. I guess K10D is notionally the more "semi pro" body compared to the incoming K200D which is the new starter model. Perhaps they will have both, we shall see.

Those gorgeous SDM lenses will have to wait at this stage....


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:59 am 
Post script to above after talking today with the man at the shop regarding K10D and K200D combinations.

It looks like they are keen to move K10D along now that the new models are in the store. I think he will do quite a bit better on price when I go in there tomorrow, and be very flexible on what mix of body and lens we come up with at a good price.
The K200D is quite an appealing product so he will need to get sharp I think :)

Since what I really want is the SDM lenses (eventually) I'm coming to the idea that it will be either the Pentax 16-45 f/4 lens or I might even go with a prime like the 50mm f/1.8. It would sharpen up my compositional skills in the meantime and has its own type of flexibility.

I'd be interested in you observations, Rei (and others!)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:37 pm 
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Bonjour MU51CL,

Starting with a fixed lens could be a great idea, learning how to use the camera and how to compose.

The great feature of dSLR is the opportunity to add a new lens after.

Concerning K10D vs K200D, really I don't know since I've tried only the K10D.

However, based on the specs, have a look on how many dials the K200D has: the K10D has two, one on front and the other on back, making speed and aperture selection very easy. Once again, ergonomics are very important. K200D uses standard AA batteries, while K10D relies on a specific battery.

Now, I don't know the different prices at which you could get the K10D and the K200D.

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:58 pm 
Gidday rei_vilo :)

I shall see how it goes tomorrow but (without handling them both) I am inclined towards the K10D as I think it has more potential for me, if a little steeper learning curve.

Having the K200D on the shelves does give me a good bargaining chip though!
I'm not too fond of the AA batteries in the K200D either. The battery monitoring is one the camera's weak points for mine, I prefer the % fuel gauge style like the D80, but it is not a deal breaker.
Also the K200D is very limited in its continuous shooting, the K10D is much better, and I would like to do some sports shooting.

At least with the 50mm f/1.8 lens I would start with a reasonably "premium" lens rather than a compromise which sits with me well. And i would get a good idea from use whether the first DA* lens would need to be wider or longer, as 50mm is right in the middle :)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:18 pm 
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Bonjour,

I continued to test and try the multi-exposure. The Braun alarm-clock I used to play with moved the hand second not on a continuous way, but once per second. This time, I shot a chronometer, with the chronometer hand moving 5 times per second. See what happened :!:

Long exposure

We clearly see 5 times the chronometer hand during the 1s exposure.
f22.0 1s iso100 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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With a 2s exposure, the chronometer hand is hardly visible, expect close to the center of the watch.
f22.0 2s iso100 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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Multi-exposure

Here a 3 shots multi-exposure test.
f4.0 1/90s iso100 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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Here a 5 shots multi-exposure test, but the chronometer hand is faded.
f4.0 1/60s iso100 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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The conclusion of those tests is, if the moving part you want to focus on is too small or too thin, you may not catch it :!:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:29 pm 
They are interesting shots in their own right just the same.

I would be interested to see a simple single exposure at a fast shutter speed to see what that looks like by comparison.


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Bonjour

Here are two pictures of the same chronometer taken at 1/500 and 1/750 for comparison. There wasn't enough light to use higher speeds (up to 1/4000s on the K10D).

f3.5 1/500s iso400 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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f2.8 1/750s iso400 50.0mm (smc PENTAX-DA* 16-50mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] SDM)
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All the pictures as in this :arrow: Picasa album. Hope that's help :!:

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