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 Post subject: Re: Choosing
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:27 pm 
Bob Andersson wrote:
Hi John,

I went through the same issues when I bought my first DSLR last year. I made a list of must have features (camera body and lens) which allowed me to disregard a number of models.

By definition, what I was left with wasn't going to disappoint. After that, go with your heart.

Bob.

P.S. Whatever you choose there will always be the odd moment when you think "I wish my camera had that feature" but that's life unless you can find a PentaSonCanOlympNik. :)


Hi Bob,

It's really nice from you to comfort me and I thank you for that.

Your idea to probably go for a "PentaSonCanOlympNik" is indeed great!

Cheers :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:47 am 
Hi rei_vilo,

In the first place, please allow me to thank you for your fast response.

If you take a look at my profile, you can see that I just registered to this
excellent forum a couple of days back, but I feel that not only the editor himself and the administrators but all the members - you included - are
extremely friendly and helpful.

They don't laugh at people like me, although I sometimes confronted them
with questions which - at least from the standpoint of an experienced digital
photographer - were quite naive or something like that.

And, most importantly to me, there is no bad language!!!

As a newbie to digital photography I really want to thank you and all the
other people with whom I had an exchange of views over the last few
days for your kindness and understanding.

This forum is indeed a great one and I'm more than willing to recommend
it to my relatives and friends.

Back to the cameras.

After I got your answer to my last reply, I compared, once again, different
camera models such as the K10D, the D80, the 400D as well as the Alpha
100 and I'm convinced that it won't be an easy task to make a final deci-
sion which one to buy.

Perhaps I'm going to purchase either the K10D or the (quite pricey) D80.

So, let me thank you once again for your advice!!!

Good luck to you and your family and may GOD bless your beautiful home
country.

:D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:21 am 
Hello zorro!

Greetings from Sotheast Asia to Scotland!

After an almost sleepless night I now seriously consider to buy the camera you already own - the Nikon D80, because in practically every review I read in the last weeks and months it got excellent valuations.

Right now I'm unable to buy the camera since I don't have the the money.
But I'll save some and than - most likely - perchase the D80 with a like-
wise outstanding lens, the 18 - 200 mm VR!! (although the Pentax K10D is still in a small corner of my head).

Zorro, since you already have experience with the D80, can you please tell me something about the dust problem which obviously every DSLR
seems to face?

And, most importantly to me, would the D80 be the right camera for a
t o t a l l y unexperienced beginner like me?

I'm eager to get your answer!

Best wishes and good luck to you,

:D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:06 am 
Hello, tombomba2,

Ich bin, wie Sie, Deutscher und wohne seit fast 17 Jahren gemeinsam mit
meiner asiatischen Frau und unseren drei erwachsenen Soehnen in Suedost-Asien.

But I guess it'd be better to use the English language again so other people can understand what we are talking about.

After comparing the D80 with the E400, K10D and Alpha100 again and again, I believe that it probably would be a good idea to go for the camera you already own - the D80 with the outstanding lens 18 - 200 mm VR, which you also possess.

If I'd indeed purchase that "dream pair" would dust still be an issue for me?

Eager to get your reply ......und herzliche Gruesse nach Bayern!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:53 am 
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Hallo John, keine Angst vor der D80!
I shoot almost completely in automatic mode RAW+normal jpg and am very content with the results. I think this is one of the key benefits of having the D80 even as a beginner. Gordon mentioned it in his reviews.
The other remark I'd like t make is: looking at the prices I don't see much of a difference between the K10D and the D80.
All in all I'd also suggest the D80+18-200VR as this is an unbeatable combination today and will bring you endless successful moments in photography :) :) :)
But you knew, that I would say that, didn't you :wink:

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 Post subject: Congratulations
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:26 am 
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Bonjour John,
John_0812 wrote:
After comparing the D80 with the E400, K10D and Alpha100 again and again, I believe that it probably would be a good idea to go for the camera you already own - the D80 with the outstanding lens 18 - 200 mm VR, which you also possess.

Congratulations for your choice!
Stick with it and buy the camera, and most important, enjoy yourself! :)
Digital photography is really fun.

Best regards from France,

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:39 am 
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Hi there.

Don't worry about dust, it's really not that big an issue. Every now & again I see dust spots on my pictures but it's really easy to deal with. Personally I use ACDSee Pro to get rid of the dust spots but all image editors have tools for doing this. Using these tools will become second nature to you. It's also good, every now & again, to take off the lens, turn the camera body upside down & use a blower such as those made by Giotto to blow into the camera. The D80 has a mirror lock-up facility to help get at the sensor. I expect probably all dSLR's have this facility.

As far as lenses go I'd recommend the 18-200mm VR lens. That's what I would have bought if money hadn't been so tight for me. Having said that the 18-135mm kit lens is pretty good too. I can't really complain about it.

Remember, at any given price point the difference in image quality will be virtually indistinguishable to the naked eye. Buy whichever camera you're comfortable with, and take lots of pictures. A camera is only a means to an end, not the end in itself.

Good luck,
Zorro.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:00 am 
Hello tombomba2,

Thanks for your prompt reply.

Just this morning I sent a message to a nice guy in Scotland who also owns a D80 and asked him if he had problems with dust.

This is exactly what "zorro " answered:

"Don't worry about dust, it's really not that big an issue. Every now & again, I see dust spots on my pictures, but it's really easy to deal with. Personally I use ACDSee Pro to get rid of the dust spots, but all image editors have tools for doing this. Using these tools will become second nature to you.

It's also good, every now & again, to take off the lens, turn the camera body upside down & use a blower such as those made by Giotto to blow into the camera. The D80 has a mirror lock-up facility to help get at the sensor. I expect probably all DSLR's have this facility."

Tombomba2, I just want to read your personal opinion about what "zorro"
sent me.

Hope you'll find some time to answer me. Have a nice weekend!!!

Thanks. :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:02 am 
Hi zorro,

Thanks for your very informative reply. As a newbie I really can learn a lot
from nice guys like you.

Thanks again and take care!!

:D :D :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:05 am 
Hi rei_vilo,

Just want to thank you for your quick reply.

Hope I made the right decision.

Good luck to you.

:D :D :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:22 pm 
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Hallo John, ich stimme mit der Antwort von Zorro überein.
Du brauchts übrigens nicht an jeden einzelnen extra in einem eigenen Post zu antworten, da hier im Forum sowieso jeder alles lesen kann.
Wenn Du in einem post einen Teil Deiner Antwort an einen bestimmten Teilnehmer adressieren möchtest, dann schreib einfach: "@Zorro: ..." etc.
So wird das Antwort-Schreiben ökonomischer und das Forum bleibt übersichtlicher.

Viel Spaß!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:51 pm 
Hi tombomba2,

Thanks for your answer and for the hint regarding sending replies to several forum members.

Der Mensch lernt wirklich niemals aus!!

Cheers, :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:52 pm 
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tombomba2 wrote:
Hallo John, ich stimme mit der Antwort von Zorro überein.
Du brauchts übrigens nicht an jeden einzelnen extra in einem eigenen Post zu antworten, da hier im Forum sowieso jeder alles lesen kann.
Wenn Du in einem post einen Teil Deiner Antwort an einen bestimmten Teilnehmer adressieren möchtest, dann schreib einfach: "@Zorro: ..." etc.
So wird das Antwort-Schreiben ökonomischer und das Forum bleibt übersichtlicher.

Viel Spaß!


So, does this say that Zorro's talking rubbish or is it maybe the menu for tonight.

Zorro.

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Hey, you scan all answers for your name or what? :wink:
Let me assure you: John and I were making very good fun of you and were r.o.f.l. :lol:

Honestly: I was just trying to get my 700th post :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:51 pm 
Hi zorro,

This is John_0812.

Please don't worry. I just sent tombomba2 part of what you wrote me about
dust because he too owns a D80.

In his answer tombomba2 used the German language (because I'm also German) but he merely confirmed what you said to me about dust on the
sensor of the D80.

So, to say it in your own words, what you told me was indeed "the menu of
the night."

Cheers! :D :D :D :D


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