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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:27 pm 
Hi Rueben,
Not wanting to start world war 3 over camera or lens preferences.....but I was certainly disappointed over the results all around from the 18-55 canon.....met several people in person who said the same and read lots of comments about them on various forums. Perhaps mine was made on a friday afternoon ??
Canon make some of the best glass in the world, but they dont' make the best kit glass. The results on my Kx kit are a significant improvement.
What I had to do with the Canon was to go into the menu and sharpen up a notch or two to get what I felt was an acceptable result. I personally think Canon have the market covered and try to get people to upgrade to better versions, therefore spending more money.....
Maybe I am fussy, I just like a nice crisp image and have had the benefit of putting two different kit lenses up against each other and found the Canon to be nowhere near as sharp.
I think glass quality is just as important thing to consider for a beginner when choosing a camera. Fact is there are now so many good choices in the entry level and because they have a camera in every shop, doesnt mean Canon have the ingredients right, just the marketing............no doubt they are a great brand.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:07 pm 
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Hi Rueben

First, may I ask why many people around here call me Reuben or Rueben? Im just Ruben;)

Well, it's still strange. The 18-55 IS kit should give descent IQ, but if you have the AL WR version of Pentax, Im sure there should be some diffrences because here the Pentax is twice as expensive as the Canon :idea:
Otherwise, the 18-55 IS is by far not bad, it's sharper than either the 18-135 IS and 17-85 IS USM. Are you sure you had the Canon 18-55 IS, or did you have the non stabilized version?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:53 pm 
Ruben -- posters who miss-spell your name are surely not doing it intentionally -- in the anglophone world, the spelling is different -- I suspect the spelling errors are from us colonials over across the ocean mostly.

We apologize profusely if we have offended.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:32 am 
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Nonono! Im not angry, I just wanted to know why some people spell my name different ! :lol:
Im sorry if you thought Im angry, Im really NOT angry :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:02 pm 
No worries -- not thinking you were angry -- just wanted to offer a possible explanation why we have so often screwed up your name.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:46 pm 
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It could be that we just love sandwiches. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:06 pm 
And for the record -- the only kit lenses which I think are really any good are -- surprise, surprise -- Olympus Zuiko. The Nikon 18-105VR is a very good lens, and I suppose one has to consider it a kit lens because of the way it has been bundled with the D90 and D7000. Canon's 35mm f2.0 is wonderful.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:30 am 
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A good kit would be the 18-105 Nikkor and the 35mm F1.8 Nikkor, it's always good to have a fast prime. When I first tried out the D7000, I instantaneously noticed that I needed some faster glass than the F3.5-5.6 of my 16-85, so I mounted on the 50mm F2.0. Unfortunately, I then noticed that it's almost impossible to capture indoor action without autofocus, and I took the lens off the camera. Now, I've come to the conclusion that I need to purchase the 35mm F1.8, mainly for it's AF capabilities. I'd recommend the 35mm because you'll find that fast glass is better any day than boosting the ISO. The 18-105 is also a good all-purpose lens for the camera, especially outdoors.

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It could be that we just love sandwiches.

That would mean his name would be Reuben, not Rueben! :lol:

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Er, guys? :lol:
I dont eat sandwitches that often, so, er, I dont really know what youre talking, but Ill keep it in mind my name could almost mean sandwitch! :P

Agree with Evan here, the 18-105 with a fast and sharp prime is a nice kit.

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There's a well-known sandwich here in the states called a 'reuben' - corned beef, sauerkraut, swiss cheese, thousand-island dressing on rye bread...it's on the menu of nearly every delicatessen and most diners throughout the U.S., so it's a very familiar term here.

Reuben is a fairly common spelling of your name in the English-speaking world, so a few probably just didn't look closely enough at your name, or were replying without thinking and that spelling came naturally to them, especially if you've got a 'Reuben' in the family. The name is of hebrew origin, and most commonly is a Jewish American name here.

As for Rueben...I can't say I've ever seen that name officially, so I'm guessing anyone calling you that was just misspelling the Hebrew version!

And to stay on topic...Evan's combo would be a pretty good basic kit.

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Hilarious! Im called Ruben from a guy called Ruben who is a person in the Bible I thought... Whatever, ontopic! Ill remember this when someone's misspelling my name! :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:10 pm 
Semantics and spelling adjustments between languages. FWIW -- the King James version of the Bible which I use, spells it "Reuben". It's also generally accepted that Americans (not North Americans, mind you) have somewhat different spelling rules from the rest of the english speaking world. :wink:

The 18-105 VR is an excellent lens - and it really works well with the D80, D90 or D7000 in particular. I have played with it on the other end of a D5000 and it was pretty good there as well -- I just happen to prefer the mid-range Nikons to their entry-level cameras.


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Tasty, think I’ll get some beers and make one for diner tonight. Easy as 1-2-3
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:17 pm 
Ruben123 - It seems to depend on whether folk want "everything automatic", and on how much money they have to spend.

Pentax has by far the largest selection of Film-SLR lenses that will work on the current Digital-SLR bodies.

I'm about to buy my first DSLR, and I'm on a low fixed (pension) income. So I want quality, and "best bang for the bucks". That did look like Pentax K-X, but now that changes to K-R. The K-R retains the good low-light, high-ISO abilities of the K-X, but has improvements, such as focusing screen and now 6fps continuous shooting.

While the standard Pentax 18-55mm kit lens is quite good to start with, I'll be going for a kit-pricing deal with the Sigma 17-70mm, and costs little more - that's not a "Pro" level lens, but it gets good Reviews as a consumer level "walk-around" general purpose lens. It's an f/2.8-4.5 lens with a Macro function. The standard Pentax 18-55mm is f/3.5-5.6 without Macro function.

However, my "50-55mm" prime will be a 1973 Takumar (Asahi-Pentax) SMC f/1.8 55mm. On the modern digital crop bodies, that's 35mm equivalent to 82.5mm, so in the portrait / landscape use range. The range is f/1.8 to f/16, and it has an infinity setting. On the modern bodies, it's preset aperture, and the camera does stop-down for metering. Focus is of course manual.

According to experienced users, the lens is slightly 'soft' at f/1.8 and f/2 - which can suit portrait use, but very sharp when stopped-down, and for that, best between f/4 and f/8. My example was given to me by my landlord, with a camera and other lenses he was given in the 1970s, but never learned to use - so is in unused condition. They can be bought for $40-80.00, depending on condition.

There are other versions, including f/2, f/1.7 and f/1.4 in the Takumar 50/55mm lenses, but the 1973 SMC f/1.8 (the f/2 was the kit-lens of the era) is regarded as being a "best-of" version.

That's an M42 screw-mount lens, and there's a large range of those around - at present I'm looking for the best-of-version 1972/3 Takumar SMC-series Model-2 f/2.5 135mm (the one with 6 elements in 6 groups, not the earlier 5/4 version.) These go for $70-120.00 depending on condition. For that you get a 135mm prime with very good optics that works as an f/2.5 202mm on current bodies. To buy a modern "automatic" all-metal construction f/2.5 135mm prime with as-good optics, you'll pay rather more than $120.00...

And if you don't like M42 screw-mount - there are still a lot of 1990s and early-2000s K-mount (no adaptor needed) lenses around. I have a Sigma 28-80mm (consumer grade, but "reasonable quality), and "the worst lens Sigma ever made" - the 100-300mm f/4.5-6.7 DL - said to give "usable images under good conditions". Interesting - and will "make-do" until I can afford the current Pentax ED 55-300mm - $670.00, here in Sydney.

Those last 2 lenses I bought on Gumtree (a local sales / auction site) - along with an excellent "Antler" brand 2-bodies and 4 lenses bag, a Pentax F-SLR body - in a bundle for $60.00. The as-new bag is worth more than that. But if you said, 4 items at $15.00 each - and the lenses are "usable" - that's pretty economical.

Still - some will want the "modern and fully-automatic-everything" lenses - and they're more convenient for those who can afford a decent collection of them.

Dave.


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Keep in mind that you can only shoot for 2 seconds at 6 fps (when shooting in RAW). Sony's A580 has a much larger buffer (and shoots at 5 fps): 22 RAWs, instead of 12.

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