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 Post subject: Another D90 vs t2i
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:13 am 
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I thought I had decided on the D90 but now I'm torn between it and the t2i. Lets leave video out of the discussion, not all that important, they both have it, I'm not making hollywood movies, I want good photos. In Gordons comparison photos in the T2i review, the canon photos looked better to me, but I'm not that experienced. I want something with good higher ISO quality. I don't understand Nikons base ISO of 200 but it has a 100, how does that work? The price of the Canon is much more appealing, it has a longer zoom and better video (sorry I went there, but not important). For some reason I am still leaning towards the D90 but don't know why, maybe I had talked myself into it. I do like the window on the top of the D90 that tells the settings. Which of these has a better kit lens? That may be the selling point, unless somebody has other features that I'm leaving out and I'm sure I am. Thanks for the help.

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Hey J

I prefer the D90, where I live, it's a lot cheaper than the T2i. How much is each one selling for where you live?

I don't know much about the kit lens, but I know that Gordon likes the Nikon one, he says that it's one of the better 18-55mm lenses out there. Although I'd rather have the 18-105 over the 18-55. Look at the 16-85 as well, it makes a very good all purpose lens.

Why did you say that the Canon has a longer zoom, remember that the zoom is in the lens, and they both come with 18-55 zooms, and considering that the Canon's sensor is SLIGHTLY larger, the zoom would be even less.

Remember to try each body out, see which one you like holding better. I like the feel of the Nikons better, but that's just me.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:28 am 
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The zoom of the Canons is just slightly more.

I think I should take the D90 instead of the 550D, only because Im not a beginner and dont want to have video.

For beginners the 550D is surely the best, but if you want to grow and go further with your hobby (if it becomes so :lol: ) you would have preferred the Nikon.

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Online the T2i is about $850 and for a kit lens it has EF-S 18-135mm IS, the D90 I have found for $1052 on Amazon and the lens is AF-S DX Nikkor 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR. I wouldn't consider myself a beginner but I'm no pro, I do set the settings manually on the camera I have now but this would be my first true dslr. How much is a D90 with the 18-105 lens there?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:30 pm 
I personally prefer the D90 over the T2i. The D90 is a mid-range camera with higher-end build, whereas the T2i is an "upper-level" entry camera with a cheaper feeling camera.

If you are thinking of a Canon that compares to the D90, then I'd look at the 50D -- it's a way better camera than the T2i, imo -- although the 50D doesn't do video.

The 18-105VR is Nikon's best quality "budget" lens. It's very good, has excellent reach as a walk-around lens, and isn't terribly heavy. The Canon 17-85 is a very nice as well.

Unfortunately, when Canon upgraded the 50D to the 60D, they made the body cheaper feeling --- shame on Canon! :(


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In Canada, I can get the D90 with the 18-105 for around $950. Although, if I had the choice, I'd go for the D90 with the 16-85, some stores in Canada sell it as an upper-end kit! I can get the D90 with the 16-85 for around $1500, which doesn't make much sense considering I can buy them separate for a total of $1300...

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I am still going back and forth on these 2 cameras. I'm wondering if I am buying old technology with the Nikon and have heard the lenses are more expensive than Canon lenses. I am going to a camera store tomorrow to handle them both, maybe that will make up my mind. I have a feeling I am over thinking this and it is driving me crazy. The price that I quoted above where the t2i was $850 I think was an import and maybe the 18-55 lens. The prices are practically identical. I have to get it on Amazon because I have some gift cards there. I noticed they sell used ones, is this a good or bad idea? Does the Canon need af lenses or does the camera do it? Can I use an af lens on a camera that is equiped with af? Sorry for all the questions.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:20 am 
I'd recommend not getting the kit lens and replacing them with somethign better. Canon has put the AF focus motor in the Lenses since the EF mount, so no canon body these days does AF in body. Yes you can use Lens AF on a camera that has AF providing it's the right mount. Personally I prefer the t1i over the D90 just because the t1i fits my hands nearly perfectly, I can't say about the t2i since i never held it. If possible i'd get something like the D90 + Tamron 17-50mm F/2.8, or t2i + Tamron 17-70mm f/2.8. The tamron is sharper and faster then the 18-55mm kit lens by nikon and canon. Only issue is that the tamron has a bit of A Quality Control issue, but when you get a good one they are excellent lenses.


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Is there an advantage over having to af in camera instead of in the lens? If I remember right the high ISO quality is better in the T2i and D90 which I am concerned about. I am coming from a superzoom so if I only had 18-50 or 18-70 I wouldn't be happy with that and I can't afford to go buy 2 or 3 lenses right now. Thanks for the advice.

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Here, you can access Gordon's ISO test with the D90 and T2i. You be the judge.

Have you considered the 18-200 if you want zoom? Or perhaps buy some old primes, like a 300mm AI-S?[/url]

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:40 pm 
The 18-55, heck probably even the 18-135mm lenses will probably feel short fro your as your superzoom probably has about 20-300mm range.
and the 17-50 should be much sharper then the 18-135mm too, and faster.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:28 pm 
The "in-camera" AF motor is for backwards compatibility with older Nikon lenses which existed before they started producing an in-lens AF system. The upside is that many of these older lenses - which are very good - can be had at a very good price used. That's the only reason/advantage -- but it is interesting that Nikon chooses not to make their lower end bodies with the screw-drive in the lens mount. I suppose the marketing thought could be that Nikon is thinking purchasers of their higher-end cameras are more likely to have legacy lenses?

At the end of the day, it's another option that is useful from a "growing-your-kit" perspective giving you the possibility of more lens choices.


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Yes, the lower end bodies don't have the built in motor, which isn't a problem for most D3000 or D5000 users, because they'll probably only be using a kit lens. Nikon wants you to upgrade to a more expensive model if you want to use the AF features of older lenses.

Another thing with the lower end bodies is that they won't meter with the older AI or AI-S lenses. You have to buy a D7000 or higher to get the metering functionalities. This is good for me because I own many AI-S lenses, but it's also good for others who want to seek a bargain by purchasing an AI-S lens as opposed to an AF or AF-S lens.

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Remember though there are enough beginner friendly lenses that are compatible with the D3000 and D5000. Only if you want much better quality and buying other lenses, the D3 and D5000 are not the best. But to sell the D7000 to the TS... I think the D90 is a great choice, even it's a few years old still, because there's nothing wrong with older cameras.

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As I say, bodies come and go, but glass is forever! :)

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