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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:39 am 
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Got back from a few days away late last night, to find my main computer at the boot screen with text along the lines of "missing boot device" on the screen. Not good. Remember I had early problems with the OCZ Vertex 3 I use in this system? With an early firmware I had assorted BSODs and random restarts, although a later one fixed that. Missing boot device was another symptom reported by others although I hadn't seen it until now. So... not a common problem for me, but once is enough for me to lose confidence again.

At this point I'm willing to go through the pain and expense of replacing the SSD in my main system to be done with it. I wanted something a bit bigger anyway as things are a bit cramped with 120GB. So the question is which one to get? So first up, I'm not going to go near another OCZ regardless of the chipset, and I don't want anything with a sandforce chipset in it. The geek in me still wants something SATA 3 capable.

I'd prefer an Intel model, but the 510 series models are not cheap or that common it seams. Not kept up to date with other brands so any pointers there?

In case you're wondering, there is a further firmware update for the Vertex 3, but I don't want to try that until I have a replacement available. Once I've replaced the desktop SSD, I'd do the firmware update then try it in my laptop which I've also wanted to get a SSD for a while too.

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Hi popo,

Bad luck. Reminds me of the trouble I had with an early OCZ SSD, trouble which also convinced me never to buy another OCZ branded drive.

I'm thinking of upgrading my own machine in the summer (new CPU, SSD and maybe GPU) and the SSD currently at the top of my list is the Crucial M4. Bit-tech did a comparative review here.

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Thanks Bob, it seems like the most cost effect performance option other than the OCZ family. And while it isn't the Intel 510 (stupidly expensive and behind the curve in benchmarks) I believe Crucial are part owned by Intel anyway, so close enough :)

And I find myself in that funny position once again... I wouldn't hesitate to spend "several hundreds" on a new lens, but the same amount on an SSD? Doesn't feel right!

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You are one of the many people struggling with Sandforce at the moment. I have read so many people complaining which is why I stayed away from them. I have read reviews saying the intel drives are very reliable and reasonably quick. I would also recommend looking at the Crucial M4. Even though on paper it is slower than the vertex 3 in real life tests it beats it and is by many regarded as the fastest SSD available. It is also considered very reliable and uses the Marvell controller rather than Sandforce.

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I'm afraid I don't have anything new to bring to this discussion but another "nag" about the OCZ SSDs.

I had a OCZ "Agility Series" fail on me after about 7000 hours. This was a major pain in the "derriére" because this particular SSD was installed in a "mission critical" wastewater treatment plant.

For that reason only OCZ never, ever again...

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The 256 GB M4 has been ordered and should arrive tomorrow, when I'll get a lesson on how easy it is or isn't to do a live OS transplant. Will windows and other software need activating again? Soon find out...

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The Crucial M4 256GB SSD has arrived, cloned over existing SSD, swapped over and booted :) I had a quick check of the applications that use activation (Win7, PS, DxO), and all seem happy at the moment.

The speed and ease of setup was in part due to me getting the "disk transfer kit" bundle. I did debate over if this was worth it or not, and having used it, I'd say yes. Sure you can find free software and other connection methods, but how long would you spend finding and setting up all that?

The transfer kit was basically a USB-SATA cable and software which runs on Win, Mac and even boot from CD. I tried booting from CD first, but that just gave me a screen where nothing happened so I gave up on that. The Windows software ran off CD, no install needed. First time I didn't plug in the cable, and it complained it couldn't find it. So I assume the software is tied to the dongle and you can't just run it anywhere. With drive connected, the software detected it. I selected source and destination drives, and left it to it. Came back in just under 30 mins and it was done, with reported transfer rates of ~30MB/s which I assume is primarily a USB limit.

Shut down, swapped drives, booted right back up. Windows wanted a restart, but after that, everything was just as I had it before the disk swap, although now with much more free space!

There doesn't seem to be much point in me providing benchmarks, as every tech website has already done that to death. The Windows 7 disk sub-score remained unchanged at 7.9.

Of course, the main reason for me making this change was the (lack of) stability with the OCZ. There isn't any way I can prove this is better except by using it. I did check before that the firmware of the SSD was current.

I guess I'll leave it a few days to make sure everything is fine before I wipe the OCZ and prepare it for my laptop... maybe it'll behave better in there.

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In case anyone is curious, the "transfer kit" is the Apricorn SATA-Wire. Only $19 itself with software from the manufacturers. The USB to SATA cable works with notebook HDs and SSDs, but not desktop ones as they need more power. Doesn't have to be used with software, where it will let you access the drive normally. I have a similar PATA version of this before and it does come in handy.

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I have had mine for a week and still haven't used it :D
The mac comes on Saturday so I will be able to try it out then. I didn't get the transfer kit but I only really need to copy over word documents, photos and videos ect as all my software will have to be re installed as mac versions.

Glad you decided on the M4 I'm sure it will be a great SSD :D

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It's never simple is it... the Crucial m4 apparently has issues after 5000 hours powered on. At least they're aware of it and a fix is expected next week, but note they posted that the day after I got mine! Perfect timing.

I might be a power user, but thankfully even I can't run up 5000 hours of usage in 7 days. So apart from probably needing a firmware update some time it should be minimal impact. 5000 hours is about 7 months running 24/7.

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Thanks for the update Popo I haven't heard of that problem. It's good that Crucial are sorting the problem and that it won't effect either of us :D

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Ouch - bad luck. Will the firmware update wipe the SSD?

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Hopefully not, but even if so I could clone it to another disk temporarily first. Which might not be a bad idea as a backup anyway!

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I asked Crucial if installing firmware wiped the SSD and they said no but I will probably make a back up just in case. Also I think the firmware is now available. Crucial have added version 0309 to there downloads.

Crucial say:
"Correct a condition where an incorrect response to a SMART counter will cause the m4 drive to become unresponsive after 5184 hours of Power-on time."

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Nice spot. I'll give it a try tomorrow morning when I have more time to take backups and generally prepare!

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