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 Post subject: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:41 pm 
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I have had a 7D with a sigma 70-200 2.8, 17-85 4, 10-22 3.5 and the 50mm 1.8 for 4 years now and I like to think I have learned and improved with it.
I shoot white water kayaking in the UK in winter in dark river gorges which getting good expsoure and freezign the paddler and water can be challenging so better iso range would be great. I also shoot family other sports, wildlife and landscapes more recently.
Noting the rumours about the new 7d on the way, I am seriously consider getting that if the price specs etc check out. The 7dmk ii must coast at least £1300?
But then I noticed the 5dmk111 is now available for £1800 body only.
Thinking the price of my 7d is likely to plummet as the market gets saturated, I was seriously considering making the move to FF. Picking up a cheap 2nd hand 24-105mm old kit lens and sell the 10-22 and 17-85.

What would your opinions be?


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 Post subject: Re: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:19 pm 
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Would using an external flash help?

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 Post subject: Re: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:52 am 
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Use of flash can help if I am out walking to do thsi but most often I am paddling as well, often shooting from 20M + meters away and have to get camera in my kayak in a dry bag. The less kit the better.
Mostly working with wet cold hands so fixing flash or setting up to work remotely is not easy and takes time. Typical you paddle as small team get to a rapid / watefall. Jump out paddlers run teh rapid I snap away and we move on. So limited set up is good.


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 Post subject: Re: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:49 pm 
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I had that same choice in mind, for me its easy, I own the Canon 7D and its fast and good quality images for me, I dont need the 7D mark II, I want a full frame camera, and that's after i buy the expensive, EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM lens, the Sigma 50mm f1.2 Art Lens.

The Full frame I want is either a Canon 5D Mark III or a 5D Mark IV, reason its because I want full frame quality and fast picture taking, though not as fast as the Canon 7D or the 7D Mark II


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 Post subject: Re: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
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A full frame Camera would for me be best for low light, larger sensor means more light captured, and the 5D Mark III has very high ISO, I like shooting low light pics with my 7D, yesterday Sunday I show some lovely sunset pics and dark pics, keeping my camera steady and counting how many stops, in intervals of 3, the highest apertures I used were f5.6, slowest shutter speeds were about 0.3 seconds, highest ISO was 6400.
The lens I used was the efs 15-85mm.

When I create a new yahoo account I will upload some of my pics for you all to see.
I have taken hhhmmmmmm, maybe hundreds of pics, each set of pics I learned.

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 Post subject: Re: 5Dmkiii or 7dmkii
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:01 am 
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Having a 6D and a 7D, I could only add that any low light shots the 7D struggles with, the 5D or 6D will do it easy.
All the techniques you learned to overcome this with a 7D will allow you to extract even more with a 5D. Its worth it.
I still use the 7D for bird and action stuff when light is good and its handy to have a camera you can knock around a bit. Personally I don`t see the point in upgrading to a 7D II, I will consider 7D III, however.

Also keep in mind, the extra reach with the crop sensor is handy and you will miss it with a full frame sensor. Which is fine, maybe look at a 100-400L for longer reach.

The other good thing about having a crop sensor and a full frame sensor is that instantly you have much more flexibility with your lenses. For a bushwalk , I only need to take the 6D with the 17-40 and the 7D with the 70-300 and got wide range and long range covered. Putting the 70-300 on the 6D covers medium range.
When I go kayaking I just take the 7D with the 17-40 ( its light and small ) and the 70-300. If I take the 6D I put it in an extra waterproof bag.

The 6D is a confident, light and small camera and its centre focus point is even better for action than the 7D and in comparison it can see in the dark. The outside ones not so much, but with good technique they still work well. Certainly not much behind a cross sensor on the 7D. My wife really enjoys using the 6d as its a nice size and not too heavy.
Having both may suit you, just don`t let the 6D get too wet, its not as robust or weatherproof as the 7D.
Having two bodies also means having a camera always ready with the right lens, its a huge pain having to swap lenses all the time.

Maybe keep the 7D and add a 6D and the 17-40 or the 24-70 Tamron or 24-105 and sell the 10-22 and 17-85. The 7D really works nicely with the 2.8 Tamron 24-70, its actually a useful range for portrait or medium range action stuff. I wouldn`t bother with the 24-105 f4, its to general unless you want to add a prime or two and the 7D really benefits from the larger aperture.

I wouldn`t be without a crop sensor and full frame sensor now, between the two I can cover 99% of what a 5DIII would give me and I would find it hard to justify a 5D III over a 6D and I don`t have to swap lenses over all the time.

Just my thoughts and what works for me.

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