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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:00 am 
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Cairngorm wrote:
When I asked a professional for his opinion he said...sold it...didn't like the fact that I had to do a lot of processing to get a really good image. Don't shoot me. That's just what he said.


Not wishing to shoot the messenger as you asked but the "professional" seems to like touting a lot of subjective statements as fact. Granted, the 7D lacks the 5D II or III's dynamic range and low light performance but I think to declare that it always needs heavy PP to get a good image is nonsense.

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He suggested the 6D which would give me a little weatherproofing but with a lot of up to date & useful features. A little dearer than a 7D but not much. Very good in low light & the landscapes I've seen are superb. Low rate of frames per sec doesn't bother me. Very light when compared to the 5D.


I would agree with those arguments. Since you're just doing landscape photography, the arguably weaker autofocus won't be a big factor either.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:58 am 
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To paraphrase a quote in which I do not remember the source:
A great photographer is able to take amazing pictures with equipment I would throw away, while a regular photographer will create pictures I would throw away with the most amazing equipment.

The 7D is a wonderful camera and every popular with bird photographers. There have been people who went from a 5DIII to a 7D due to the 7D being able to suit their needs more; even though it is an older camera.
Considering the camera is almost 5 years old and it is still being sold new, and people are paying for it, indicates it is doing something right. Outside of some higher end niche products, I cannot think of any digital camera lasting on the market that long.

Granted, it is almost 5 years old, which is why I would recommend buying it used if you do go this route.

One problem with full frame is the cost of the lenses. A crop body, such as the 7D has a wider selection of lenses, including all the lenses that a full frame has access to. If you are just starting out, I would highly recommend keeping things as simple as possible and really get to understand the camera. Slowly build up a set of lenses and other equipment. Once this is done after a few years, maybe several, then take the plunge into full frame if you still desire to.

The more you spend on the camera body, the less you have to spend on lenses without going over your budget.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:08 am 
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its easy, buy a 7D and then in a year or three buy a 6D. They compliment each other nicely. :D your main priority was weather resistance, so get the 7D.

I am currently on a 7 week caravaning holiday from the east coast of Australia to the west, have got the 17-40 f4 canon the 24-70 f 2.8 Tamron, the 40 2.8 canon the 100L macro and the 70-300L with me, the rest has stayed at home.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:15 pm 
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Thanks guys. Unfortunately the buy one now and another later isn't really "in the frame" in view of one's age. :shock: :cry:

This is likely to be my last expensive camera so it's pretty important to get it right.

There'd be no money in the pot to buy a 7D + lenses now & then upgrade to full frame later.

At present I'm leaning towards the 6D. I don't need or even want the GPS or the WiFi but then again I don't need the frames per sec of the 7D. I like the 5D but the cost is stretching it a bit plus I'd probably not use it to its full extent. The people I've had words with on the 5D are more photographers who do mountaineering whereas I'm a mountaineer who takes pictures. :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:39 pm 
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The most important thing is for you to be happy with your purchase.

There is also an option to get a rain protector of some type to go around the camera if the conditions get really bad.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Popo,

How does your 5DII compare to your 7D in the rain? Or do you primarily use the 7D?

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:19 am 
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I haven't abused the 5D2 to the same levels as the 7D, but as a gut feeling I think they're in a similar ball park.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:13 am 
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Well after much debate with myself the decision eventually went with the 6D. Right or wrong I've no doubt that it will serve me well. Thanks for all the advice & comments. :D


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:13 am 
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Helping you with your decision is part of the fun. Living vicariously as you post how much you are enjoying your new camera is the other part.

Feel free to share with us your thoughts of the camera after it arrives. Especially after you first expose it to some weather.

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