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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:13 am 
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The thing is, they're not sold as weatherproof, but weather resistant. If you continuously expose it to water, things will happen after a time. So the question remains how much water for how long? However you do it, take steps to to minimise the exposure to water, and it'll probably be ok. No one can give a direct answer to this one. It is a balance of probability. If used in continuous rain, my weakest point would be the 100-400L which will fog up after a few hours. The body would be ok for longer although if enough water seeps in, the rear joystick can start to misbehave. I haven't tested any other single lens for as long.

If you take multiple lenses, you'd need somewhere sheltered to change them to prevent water getting in also. In that situation I usually take more than one camera to avoid that. Something like a 600D, which is stored when not in use.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:07 am 
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What led me to the 7D was this article: http://www.eos-network.com/2011/05/how- ... nd-lenses/

And canons own site which states: The EOS 7D has superb handling features, including Quick Control settings for fast operation and customisable control buttons, plus a rugged, weatherproof build that’s up to the durability standards of EOS-1 series cameras.

In foul weather I probably wouldn't even bother to take a second lens. Something like the 24-105 should do fine.
It's not that I always go out in rotten weather. I just want something that I don't have to treat with kid gloves in the wet.
My Sony Cyber Shot RX100 Mk 2 is great but I wouldn't take it out in the rain & it's often recently been left in it's pouch inside my rucksack. My waterproof Lumix compact is also great but it might be time to move up.


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Rain on my 7D + 70-300L.

On proof vs. resistance, it seems Canon are themselves inconsistent there. The main site says for example "Water/ Dust Resistance Yes (equal to EOS-1N)". It certainly isn't weather proof, but at the same time that doesn't mean you need to get worried if a drop of rain falls on it.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:33 am 
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Hmmmmm. Interesting. The next question would have to be the name of your insurance company that covers you for water damage & wonky electrics. Canons own insurance seems to exclude just about everything. :? As " insurance" I think that it's somewhat of a con.


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:31 pm 
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My insurance: none. I've never seen one for small items that would pay out enough to justify the premium. You'd be better off just putting the premium equivalent into a savings account and use that as and when repairs are needed.

The only fault I've had with Canon kit is the 7D once, but that was way outside warranty period anyway. Was about £80 repair from Canon and all was fine since.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:49 am 
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Hmmmmm. Interesting. The next question would have to be the name of your insurance company that covers you for water damage & wonky electrics. Canons own insurance seems to exclude just about everything. :? As " insurance" I think that it's somewhat of a con.


I hardly think it's a con as you're told up front what is and isn't covered. To knowingly use a product in an inhospitable environment where there is a distinct possibility of damage won't impress most insurance companies unless you're willing to pay a premium so high that it would be more viable to foot the cost of repairs or replacement yourself. It's almost like saying home & contents insurance is a con if you're not covered for leaving the house unsecured.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:27 am 
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The company will not pay for loss or damage
• caused by an electrical or mechanical breakdown, wear and tear,
loss of value or anything which happens gradually;
• caused by cleaning, dyeing, repairing, taking apart, changing or
restoring;
• caused by insects, vermin, fungus, the weather, the effect of
lights or pets;

So a camera sold as "weatherproof" isn't covered by the effect of weather. Somewhat odd I would have thought but insurance does seem to be a minefield & really that's not what my thread is about. Just looking for advice on 6D v 7D. :)


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:37 am 
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Roger of lensrentals.com had the following statement burried in one of their articles:
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Many people seem to believe that means ‘waterproof’. When you take lenses apart all day you find out it usually means ‘we put a strip of foam rubber behind the front and rear elements and scotch tape over the access holes under the rubber rings’.


Read the full article to understand some of the marketing terms better. Baically, weather resistant means the manufacturer (any of them) has taken extra steps to repel rain from certain critical components. How much resistant is not given as a standard. This is not the same as waterproof. Some people treat their equipment without concern for the rain and get lucky. This does not mean Canon, or anyone else, is guaranteeing they will work in a full downpour with no issues.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:38 pm 
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As someone shall we say long in the tooth I'm very well aware of what goes on in the big bad world. If I wanted a "waterproof" camera I would have bought one. If I wanted a camera to be completely "waterproof" I would have bought the appropriate housing. If I believed every claim out there then more fool me.

Canon don't make any claim for either the 6D or the 7D or even the 5D Mkiii to be "waterproof" & I'm happy with that. If it hasn't been clear before then I will repeat.....I'm after a camera (Canon 6d, 7D or even a 5D :shock: ) that can be taken out in a bit of wet without immediately giving up the ghost.

I've had a some corres with outdoor professionals & they mostly agree that the 5D Mkiii is the one that they use in foul weather although there is the odd 7D user. The 6D doesn't seem to rate very highly however in the "it's only a blizzard it'll be OK" fraternity.

If anyone else has any other comments on the use outdoors in poor weather of Canons "weatherproof" cameras I'd be happy to hear them.


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:55 pm 
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So far my 5DIII has done well in the rain. When it does get really bad I have used something else to help protect it.
However, not all my lenses are water resistant, and there have been a few times where I have taken my 85mm in the rain with no issues so far.

Video where digitial rev poured some water on a camera and lens
Digital rev video with the 7D and 5DII in a typhoon

The short answer is I do not know of any quantifiable measurement of how much weather (specifically rain) any piece of equipment can take. At times, they can seem to take a lot, and others not as much.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:24 pm 
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If you're going to do digitalrev videos, there is the little stress test they did on the 7D...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCT-YMgjm9k

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:07 pm 
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Touché.

Though I vaguely recall cringing when I first saw that video. Maybe my brain was trying hard to forget it existed because it was so traumatic.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:16 pm 
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OUCH :shock: OUCH :shock: OUCH :shock:

Out today in the hills. The odd snow shower & some mist. Not even enough to phase the Sony Cyber Shot. :)


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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:50 pm 
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So for the sake of argument, lets just say the 7D is equivalent to the 5DIII in weather resistance.

What other aspects are you looking at for a camera body?

If it is just weather resistance, then I would recommend the 7D as it would be less expensive, though there is rumors of a 7DII coming out sometime this year.
You could probably get 3 7Ds (Used) for the cost of 1 5DIII.

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 Post subject: Re: A Winter Canon
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:13 pm 
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Well weather resistance first. That's in a DSLR & not a compact. Even one with a changeable lens. Ideally full frame but that, of course, bumps up the anti considerably to the 5D.

As to the 7D I don't need its frames per sec but the focus I like. When I asked a professional for his opinion he said...sold it...didn't like the fact that I had to do a lot of processing to get a really good image. Don't shoot me. That's just what he said.

He suggested the 6D which would give me a little weatherproofing but with a lot of up to date & useful features. A little dearer than a 7D but not much. Very good in low light & the landscapes I've seen are superb. Low rate of frames per sec doesn't bother me. Very light when compared to the 5D.

If I wait around for the next 7D (rumoured for about two years now!!) then I would imagine that it will be too expensive....even assuming it does come out this year.

As they say.....I used to be indecisive but now I'm just not sure. :? :? :? :? :?


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