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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:09 pm 
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Hi All

New member here so go easy..... :wink:

I own a 7D. I shoot landscapes and outdoor sports, white water kayaking often low light in dark wintry river gorges mountain biking, as well as wildlife, and family stuff.
Just got some back pay so I need some advice about lens choice. So I am reviewing if have right stuff and need to add or replace.....

I have the Canon EF-S 10-22 for landscapes. Excellent very happy with that.

My walk around lens is the 17-85 and use this for most of my sports work but I could do with being closer for sure and quicker would be nice but not essential
I do have the very old circa 1990 75-300 II but its focusing speed and aperture are both too slow and I getting rid of this it does not work for me at all, the range is very useful but the quality is naff.
options I am considering selling the 17-85 as well to get a bit more reach speed thinking:
Ef - S one of.....
15-85 same at the long end but better images quality and f3.5
18-135 stm longer
18-200 longer not sure I'd be happy with the image quality.

Or keep the 17-85 it and back pay of £400+ for wildlife and sports.....
and add
the Ef S 70 - 300
or
70 - 200 L f4 non IS
Wait even longer and save £200 and some more and get the f2.8 but that's heavy to drag about and ££££ but I do think I want that speed and range just not sure i can justify the money and the weight. Would I use it if its so heavy?

This is perhaps a little unclear but that's because my mind is......
Happy to take questions and discuss which might really help me decide for myself but all advice welcome. Would consider other suppliers glass they meet my needs.

Many thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:59 pm 
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A lens that is very nice for the price is the Tamron 70-300mm VC lens, which is optically great and it has a strong stabilizer.
It's cheaper and better than the Canon EF 70-300mm lens. Still the Canon EF 70-300mm is quite OK and definitely better than the 75-300mm.

I wouldn't go for a 18-200mm.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:16 pm 
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flashollie wrote:
I own a 7D. ...
options I am considering selling the 17-85 as well to get a bit more reach speed thinking:
Ef - S one of.....

18-135 stm longer

Is the original (non-STM) version no longer available? I ask because there's no reason to get the STM version with a 7D, and the non-STM version should be cheaper.

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70 - 200 L f4 non IS
Wait even longer and save £200 and some more and get the f2.8 but that's heavy to drag about and ££££ but I do think I want that speed and range just not sure i can justify the money and the weight. Would I use it if its so heavy?

If you go with an 18-135mm, would you be OK supplementing it with a 200mm f2.8 prime? You obviously would lose the ability to zoom from 135-200mm, but the prime would be lighter than the 70-200mm f4 zoom, get you the f2.8 aperture you want, and it should be available for around the same price. (full disclosure: I own a 200mm f2.8 prime.)

And welcome to the forum - Mark


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:57 am 
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Some great advice so far thanks guys.
Ok so the 18-200 is out.
I liked the prime option to get the 200 and speed. And while checking this out I came across the sigma 70-200 f2.8. Second hand this is right on budget and give me the full zoom and speed. Seems good for the price and does what I think I wanted.
Granted it's not the canon L so perhaps the quality is not thee atbut at the price and for what I shooting I think it works? I am finding to hard to justify £800 plus on a second hand lens. photography is not my only hobby sports come first.

How does this seem what walk around complements this? I am still tempted by the range the 18 135.
Why would I not need the STM if I have a7d? Always ken to learn and save money!

Forgot to say I do have the 50 mm prime at f1.8 (why wouldn't anyone not) so I have speed at 50mm.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:08 am 
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Well, the 18-135mm is OK. Useful range, image quality is OK, similar to the 18-55mm, which has a much shorter zoom range. The 15-85mm is noticably better (especially in the corners) and while it doesn't zoom in more than your 17-85mm you can get more wide angle and it's definitely sharper. Gordon has some test shots 15-85mm vs. 17-85mm vs. 18-135mm: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon ... ults.shtml

The Sigma is a good lens. Maybe the Canon version is a bit sharper but the price difference is massive and you'll hardly notice the difference when you look at the shots. If 200mm is enough for you you can definitely go for the Sigma and enjoy the 2.8 aperture. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:47 pm 
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Thanks Jiko.
Anyone got any thoughts on the Tamron equivalent the reviews are mixed. De centring and some faults with it out the box make me concerned it's not going to be a safe bet.

Still keen to hear why with a 7d I wouldn't need the STM function on the 18-135 as these are only 160 new.

Thinking I'll stick with my 17-85 but the price of the 18 -135 is tempting and go for a non canon 70-200 at f2.8.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:04 am 
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flashollie wrote:
Still keen to hear why with a 7d I wouldn't need the STM function on the 18-135 as these are only 160 new.


You "wouldn't need" STM on the 7D because the 7D can't fully benefit from it - the 7D's internals weren't designed to make full use of the stepper motor, unlike the 650D for example.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Rorschach wrote:
flashollie wrote:
Still keen to hear why with a 7d I wouldn't need the STM function on the 18-135 as these are only 160 new.


You "wouldn't need" STM on the 7D because the 7D can't fully benefit from it - the 7D's internals weren't designed to make full use of the stepper motor, unlike the 650D for example.


Thanks for this clear useful response. I'll search about for the non STM 18-135. Thinking I will hold out for a second hand 70-200 f2.8 from Sigma or Tamron with IS.

Just thinking, since I have the 10-22 should I consider the 28-135 for increased image quality but sacrifice the 18-28 zoom on a walk around lenses?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:01 am 
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The Tamron 70-200mm 2.8 VC is a bit too new to be payable when trying to get a used one. :mrgreen:

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