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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:12 am 
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Well, there not being an official 7D Mark II thread topic, I figured I would type this here; I just traded the more-finicky-focusing of my two 7D bodies, and a 28-135mm lens, toward my new 7D Mark II. The ability to AF in low light, at -3 EV, was the final prompt I needed, to buy now, instead of waiting until 2015 or 2016. I had hoped, rather pessimistically, that this AF ability would trickle-down from the 6D into the 7D-series, and it happened. I will be keeping my other 7D indefinitely. The 28-135mm lens, which had been my first 7D's kit lens, had recently become redundant when I acquired a 24-105L lens.

The two memory cards slots are beneficial in two ways. First, a second card is a form of insurance against a corrupted or lost card. Of great convenience is being able to provide one card to an investigator, while I retain the other card for normal evidentiary uploading protocol.

Cleaner JPEGs at ISO 3200 will be nice. My evidentiary images must be uploaded as OOC JPEGs, and there have been many times ISO 3200 was helpful with a 7D, as my 40D and 1D Mark II N cameras are not really usable at 3200. The 7D II should shoot just a bit cleaner than the 7D, which is enough improvement to satisfy in this regard.

The controls are substantially similar, for which I am very glad. 60D/6D controls would have driven me away!

I will probably have more to say, later. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:49 pm 
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Well here you are, RexGig: starting the new official thread for the 7D II.
Go ahead with your observations and anybody else should join in with questions, comments, etc.
Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:46 pm 
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I took the AF not working in low light as a sign for me to go home with the old 7D! So when I get the mk2, I might stay out later!

Still waiting to see what happens to pricing before I bite. I can buy it now, but don't really need it, so I'm hoping for even a small price drop to help out there.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:41 pm 
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Thomas wrote:
Well here you are, RexGig: starting the new official thread for the 7D II.
Go ahead with your observations and anybody else should join in with questions, comments, etc.
Enjoy!


Thomas, thanks for extracting my reply in the other thread, and using it to start this one. :-)

I had hoped to shoot some images at a Civil War reenactment yesterday, but my nephew had acquired a virus affecting his digestive system, with a fever, and with his mother having Texas Guard duty, it was more important for me to stay at or near home. A passing weather system would have challenged the weather-sealing, had I attended the event!

In the front yard, today, with the better weather, I looked for honeybees and butterflies, but yesterday's weather system seems to have convinced our six-legged friends to disappear.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:58 pm 
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I gave in and ordered the mk2, which arrived today. Not had much time to play with it yet, but already the moved review zoom button is going to take some getting used to.

Did some random test shots indoors with low lighting and I'm quite amazed how usable the camera jpegs are even at higher ISO. I wouldn't dream of ISO16000 on the mk1, but while they're not going to satisfy pixel peepers, they're giving a good balance of noise reduction while trying to retain detail.

Tomorrow I'll try to get out early and give it a duck test before work.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:36 pm 
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Now upgrade your signature :wink:

The 7D looks quite good but I'm not sure about the improvement in image quality. Still I think it's a worthy upgrade from my 500D, at least a slight improvement in image quality should be possible. I'm only missing the money at the moment.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:14 am 
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I am perceiving somewhat faster AF in low light, with less hunting, with my 100mm 2.8L Macro IS lens, which is not a lens known for fast focusing. It also seems to be a bit more accurate in low light. This is Single Shot, with just the central AF point selected. I have yet to try other AF settings with moving subjects, and other lenses will auto-focus faster.

Default JPEGs seem quite sharp, so I have not changed the in-camera sharpening setting. I have upped the sharpening setting of most of my previous cameras by one level. (My forensic/evidentiary images must be uploaded as OOC JPEGs.)

I will be attending a crime scene photography class next week, taught by one of my local mentors, Christopher Duncan, and will consult with him on the 7D II, to see what he thinks. (He shoots with a 6D, though APS-C is the local norm for police photographers.)

I certainly have no buyer's remorse. The 7D II is a very good camera.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:23 pm 
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Only had a quick duck test so far. Not really had a good play with the new AF yet. ISO6400+ jepgs still look fairly clean. Since the DxO 10.1 release yesterday which adds 7D mk2 support, I tried that and it is able to pull more detail out for a similar noise level. Weather sucked so I still haven't done any useful testing below ISO5000!!!

A friend has asked me to do some side by side tests comparing the mk1 and mk2, as she's debating making the move too. The biggest reason for her is she would like more low light potential. She's already borrowing my 120-300 f/2.8 so faster lenses aren't an option. It does seem there is a noise improvement at higher ISO, but the question is how much does it give you in the real world?

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"a quick duck test" :? :) :D

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Ducks are my quick test subjects, as they're always available 10 minutes walk from my house. I had a second duck test yesterday, so trying gulls in flight to test out the new AF system. In short, so far I wouldn't say it was any better than 7D mk1. This may be two reasons: 1, I've left the vast array of AF options on default and haven't even looked at changing them, and 2, the scenario I'm using might just be too much for any AF system! Basically gulls fly over a lake, with trees close in the background. Every camera I've ever used here gets confused and focuses on the background sooner or later. In relative distances, the gulls may not be that much different from the background. I was hoping the new colour metering assist would help, as the gulls do have a colour contrast, but maybe they're still too small as an AF subject for it to be covered.

I've not gone through yet to see how I feel about using higher ISO in the real world.

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AF guide for the 7D2... I've got a lot of reading and testing ahead!

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Just read Gordon's review. He calls it a niche camera. Yes it is. Lucky it's my niche. I'm actually using the built-in GPS more often than I ever used the external unit with the 5D3. Wifi is irrelevant in the bush. CF cards are faster when it matters. I'm loving it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:35 am 
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Nice Shot Andrew.

Great review, thanks Gordon.
I am certainly interested, after using the 6D with its very confident center focus point, the 7D struggles in low light. Even in good light the AI servo is a bit more confident on the 6D.
With raw and LR I am comfortable to take shots up the 3200 on the 7D and would consider upgrading to the MkII if it is a couple of stops better.

Can someone post a comparison of 7D vs &D mk II at 3200 and 6400?

Realistically I can see myself buying a new 100-400L II or something else before upgrading to the 7D II. I will appreciate a new lens more than a new body.

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Just read the review... to me it leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth, like instant decaf coffee. Which is about what I'd offer Gordon for this one ;)

When I read the specs list as the 7D2 was officially announced, I thought it was my birthday and Christmas rolled into one. It was like Canon made this camera just for me. Gordon may say the wildlife (+sports/action?) photographers are a niche, but it is a pretty significant one, often with pretty deep pockets. Since the original 7D came out, this "niche" was starting to feel a bit left out, as there wasn't anything for them. There were a lot of new cameras, with features that didn't really help. The design decisions made here were to make this the best camera for the job in hand. It was never meant to be one camera to rule them all. In fact, to try adding in all the extra stuff may have compromised the core function. "less is more". This camera wanted to do the best job it could in one area, not do a bit of everything else.

That is not to say I don't want all those other features mentioned as missing, but they're not what I need or want in this one. Tilt screen? I have a 600D (that I might upgrade at some point). Touch screen and wifi? My phone + QX10. Even the USB charging in part influenced me to stick with the Sony HX9V as superzoom compact instead of the Canon SX240 I bought to replace it. But the uses I have for those are not the same as the uses I choose the 7D series for.

Are mirrorless really up there? Depends on your expectations. For example, there's this piece by Thom Hogan which I think puts it better than I could. Mirrorless are almost as good as DSLRs at doing DSLR like things. To me, even DSLRs aren't perfect. So we have almost-as-good to a not perfect camera? Wrong optimisation.

Back on the 7D2, I have to wonder how many of their owners previously owned the original 7D too? My reason for asking that is the CF slot. I'm willing to bet most of the buyers of a 7D mk2 already have a large selection of high spec CF cards from previous bodies such as 5D series or the 7D, and appreciate continuing to use them. I acknowledge some might not like the management of both types of card if you do want to fill both at the same time.

I better stop there before I sound more like a grumpy old git than I already am. I will repeat though, for those that get it, this is the camera. If you have less demanding applications, others may suffice or do better at other things that are not the target here.

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Have to admit, when I read the review, I glanced over those bits that didn`t interest me and focused on where it mattered for me.
Like wifi, I used it once on the 6D, not something I would miss.
Even my wife who is into all the gadgets and sharing things electronically doesn`t use it.

I am into the less is more category, don`t care about tilting screens and just want a waterproof, tough, high shutter speed, fast focusing body that has better low light ability than the 7D. As much as I don`t use movie mode I can see that it can be handy, but its not a high priority for me.

If I was to buy a new compact to replace the S95 I might look at stuff like that, mainly because I want better photos and video than what my phone can do and then potentially send them on. But hardly something I want in a DSLR where I want to post process photos anyway.

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