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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:40 pm 
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I thought 96.7% sounded pretty good :D over the past 12 months there have been only 32 negative feedback comments yet there are 884 positive comments. The late delivery ones do not particularly bother me since it is £700 cheaper than buying in england. I am not sure about taxes I have read in many places that DigitalRev will pay all taxes and most people don't seem to have had to pay anything. The fact that I am buying through eBay and PayPal gives me confidence that my money is safe. Also DigitalRev is a pretty massive company and it's even on the support me page here at cameralabs.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 2:40 am 
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So which body are you going to go for or have you not quite decided on it yet?

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:31 am 
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I'm very much undecided at the moment. The mk3 does seem to have som noticeable improvements that make it worth the money ISO performance being the biggest one for me. However the mk2 would allow me to buy the 70-200mm straight away. Although I think in the long run I would be better of buying the newer camera which will last me longer and then wait an extra few months to raise the funds for the 70-200mm.

On another note I got two emails back from DigitalRev. The first was from the website shop which said I would not have to pay any import fees. The second was from the eBay store which said I would. I guess this justifys the price difference.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:41 am 
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Hi James,

If you can afford both in a few month's time then I guess it all boils down to whether you need the lens capability or the better IQ soonest. I'm the last one to look to when it comes to resisting the charms of techno-lust (I've just bought an OM-D E-M5 at full price, albeit I also get a free battery grip to go with it) but if your desire to buy a 5D3 now rather than wait until the autumn when prices will likely have dropped by several hundred pounds is being driven by the business head and not the heart then you must need it pretty badly. And that's assuming that you actually do need the extra capabilities of a 5D3 over and above a 5D2.

You mention the ISO performance as being an advantage of the 5D3 over the 5D2. When I look at the RAW comparisons on another site I'm seeing only a small difference. The 5D3 undeniably produces better high ISO JPEGs out of the camera but I can't imagine many scenarios where it's worth splashing out three grand on a body and then using it to shoot JPEGs. :?

Of course the big unquantifiable is the feel-good factor of owning the latest body. No point in buying a 5D2 if you're going to be unhappy with it even if it does free up funds better devoted to exotic glass! :idea: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:49 am 
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P.S. With the 5D2 remaining on the Canon catalog for now and not being discontinued I think used prices will stay firm for a while. I sold my 5D2 slightly early in the expectation that used prices would drop rapidly as a result of the 5D2 being discontinued when the 5D3 launched and you'll have to take your own view as to where used 5D2 prices will go over the next six to twelve months. If you think they will stay reasonably firm then the loss you make by buying a 5D2 now and selling it towards the end of the year may actually be less than the drop in price of a new 5D3 bought at that time. All guesswork but if it does turn out that the 5D2 is good enough then you've actually saved one heck of a lot of money!

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:56 am 
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Thanks for the advice Bob. The prices are sure to drop within the next 6 to 12 months but would rather not wait that long for £100 - £300. This is more out of want for the camera than need :D I'll take a look at the ISO samples you posted as would be interesting to compare. Other features such as much better Autofocus and metering, 100% viewfinder, faster fps (not essential but nice) mean I think it is worth the money. If I buy it now I will use it for the next 4+ years and focus on buying lenses in that time. A 70-200mm, 16-35mm and 85mm L prime are all in consideration!

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:58 am 
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P.S Bob what made you move from Canon to the Olympus four thirds camera?

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:33 am 
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Hi James,

All the reasons you've quoted for buying the 5D3 are good reasons and I guess my fear (on your behalf) that your heart was getting in the way of your business head are unfounded. I'm sure you'll make the right decision whatever you choose although I'll be watching 5D3 prices with interest towards the end of the year as I doubt the price drop will only be £100 - £300.

My decision to change horses was purely down to size. I always have my E-M5 plus the 14-42mm and the 7-14mm with me as both are pocket-able, if only just. Just lumping the 5D2 plus the 24-105mm around was bad enough, let alone the 16-35mm, and as a result it often got left behind. The E-M5 isn't up there with the 5D2, of course, but it's good enough for my needs. Micro four-thirds won out because of the available glass. The E-M5 won out over the GX1 because I prefer a built in viewfinder. But this is, as you say, totally off-topic for this thread so perhaps if anyone wants to continue that conversation my thread Now 9190 posts... is the place to go.

Good luck with your search for a 5D3.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:52 pm 
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Just out of interest Bob how much do you think prices will drop? I can't see them dropping anymore than 15% which would be about £450.

I'll take a look at the thread. Four thirds is definitely something to look out for and in the coming years could potentially replace compact and bridge cameras :D

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Hi James,

Each camera is a law unto itself but to see how the 5D Mark II did on Amazon check out this link. This takes no account of exchange rate changes that may apply today but the 5D2 fell in price by about 25% in the first year. I can't remember whether those initially very low prices reflected available stock or grey imports from third party sellers who ignored VAT and duty but the trend is clear. As another example check out the Camera PriceBuster graph for the 60D:

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Obviously a much cheaper camera but percentage drop is similar, albeit rather quicker. The 1D Mark IV hasn't dropped so much since it was announced but that's probably because Canon haven't yet really started production.

Will the same trend apply to the 5D3 as we saw with the 5D2? In the end you have to exercise your own judgement. 15% might be a good guess for the autumn but it might be a little pessimistic over the course of a year. Or it might not... :roll: :)

Bob.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
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Thanks for the link Bob. I think it is fair to say the price will drop by a reasonable amount but am still not sure it is going to be by a big enough margin to make me wait. It's quite a good website the one you linked. I might set up a watch for the 70-200mm as the prices on that lens seem to be varying so much recently. :D

I have used the support me links when buying items before and since Gordon has done a deal with DigitalRev, who I think I will buy from, I will be sure to purchase through the link. The same goes for the 70-200mm which will hopefully be shortly after. After these two items though I will probably hold back on large purchases for a little while. Although I will purchase a Manfrotto tripod as I want to start doing some proper landscape photography. If I get into it and 24mm on a full frame camera is not wide enough I will probably buy the 16-35mm or whatever the latest model is at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
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What you could do is rent a 5D2 and a 5D3 and do a side by side comparison to see which camera you need right now.
This way you can be confident with your purchase.

Also, if you get a used 5D2 now, you could even just keep that as a second body for when you eventually get a 5D3 sometime in the future.
I have found that glass impacts the picture more than photography does, which is why I am still on my old XTi/400D, though I do admit it is looking mighty old at the moment.

I also understand your fascination with a 5D3 and I believe it will replace my XTi as my main body in a year or two when it comes down in price.
However, I spent the last few years upgrading my lens collection to the point I do not have a hot lens item on my list anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
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I like the idea of buying a 5D2 and then a 5D3 when the prices drop. However the used 5D2's seem to go for £1300 whereas I could get a new one for £1400 so would probably end up buying a new one if I did go down this route. How much do you think the 5D3 will drop in price before the price settles? I do not feel I need a second full frame but obviously would not pass on one if it were nearly free :)

The 5d3 does seem to be the perfect camera full frame camera at the moment and can definitely see it being very popular :D

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I may have found a cheaper and more reliable option. My dad regularly makes business trips to America and it just occurred to that with the exchange rate he might be able to get kit a bit cheaper. I went on the B&H photographic website and they sell the 5D3 for $3,500 which when put through a convertor equates to £2,230! I would feel a lot more confident buying from such a reputable dealer. However I have three quick questions. Would my dad face any charges when bringing the item back to the UK? Am I right in saying that if there was a fault I would have to return it to the US? (this is not a problem since I have family there). Can someone also just confirm that the only difference between models abroad and UK models is manual language and chargers? (that's what digitalrev said but wanted to check).

The conversion also means that the 70-200mm 2.8 IS II will cost £1,465!

I think this may be my ticket to significantly cheaper kit without risking grey market versions from Asia :D

Many thanks,
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 Post subject: Re: 5d mk2 vs mk3
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You basically got it correct. The warranty would not be valid in the UK, but it is the exact same camera.

I have no idea about any tax fees for buying abroad, but you may have to or could face some penalties.
Buying for yourself though is different than if you were to try to buy it abroad and sell it locally.

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