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Perhaps you missed the bigger point. Processing generates heat, which may cause the temperature to rise to varying degrees. But if it gets hot, or more precisely too hot, is another matter. It is largely a non-issue in a low power device like a camera.

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Is this "heated" :lol: discussion about the 5D3? If not it's off-topic!

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Bob, absolutely right, a little topic drift there! So tenuously swinging back, I think based on what we know so far, we can be sure of hot sales of the mk3 :)

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@RAW 1
Not sure it is such a good idea to edit and post canon's samples here. Might give the wrong impression of picture quality, e.g. no everyone would like such a sharp portrait, vivid colours etc. Perhaps just a link to the sample images page, which I see if now fully populated with downloadable content.

Though why not start a separate thread and invite people to edit the photos? Could be fun and would leave this page less cluttered.


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Yes i think your right it will clutter this page, I started a topic, but i wouldn't say it give the wrong impression of picture quality. the picture was shot in f11, every thing should be sharp.

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Hi everyone, I've added further analysis and comparisons to my preview article.


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Hi Gordon,

Great preview. I'm looking forward to your test results even though the 5D3 won't be for me.

Regarding cost, one thing that's rarely mentioned (or if it is I've missed it) is that good cameras hold their value pretty well if they are kept in tip top condittion. My 5D2 lost about 15% of its value per year over the time I owned it from new or 19% per year if I factor in the cost of selling it. Early adopters of the 5D3 won't achieve that but for those prepared to wait until prices drop a little (hopefully by the autumn) I'd suggest that the long term cost of buying the 5D3 may actually be not much different than buying a 5D2 if the plan is to sell in three years time as I can't imagine there'll be much of a market at all for the 5D2 by then. :idea:

Tip: If anyone does hope to sell in a few years then keep all the packaging (including cellophane wrappers etc), software, manuals and other leaflets and be very careful not to damage said packaging during the excitement of unboxing!

Let's hope Canon get a 5D3 to you ASAP and that Nikon can similarly oblige with a D800. And, just to be mischievous, why not get your own hands on a 24MP NEX-7 as well. I'm guessing that even at ISO 100 the NEX-7 will struggle a little in the tonal range department but it does sport more pixels than the 5D3. Yep, you're right: you can't review stuff just because a forum member has a camera on his or her shortlist! :twisted:

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On depreciation, I think the 5D2 happened during a period of reduced loss, due to the exchange rate effects. Look at lens prices now compared to around the time of the 5D2 launch. Everything has gone up. I think this also applies to bodies, so has in effect propped up the 5D2 value above its normal depreciation curve. Similarly, the 50D I sold previously, is still going for about the same used prices now as it did some 2 years ago. Can anyone remember the UK street price of a 5D original at the end of its life? I think it was around a thousand or just over. But used prices for that now are still around £600-700. So while that may appear to support Bob's theory, I'm suggesting caution because if the UK or western economies recover quickly (yeah, right!) then you would see much faster depreciation.

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Obviously there are no guarantees about anything and some might suggest that a Japanese recovery is more likely than a European one right now. Japan vs. USA is also an unknown. I sold my 40D when I bought the 5D2 and similar numbers applied then. The figures I quoted were comparing what I originally paid against what I sold the 5D2 for. That's the only sensible comparison so far as personal outgoings are concerned but bear in mind that the street price from Park Cameras, where I originally purchased my 5D2, has fallen 26% since I bought it and against that measure the camera held its value incredibly, indeed almost unbelievably, well.

The point I'm trying to make is that suggesting that the 5D3 is expensive when compared to the 5D2, as a number of folk out in wibbly-wobbly land are currently doing, is simplistic without reference to a possible resale value however uncertain that number may be. Providing, of course, one has enough of the folding stuff spare to be able to purchase the camera in the first place without sending the kids back up the chimneys. :lol:

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Thanks Gordon very nice preview, I called the Camera shop in Athens and they told me price as of now is 3,199,00 Euro but Canon Greece said it will be more like 2,900,00 euro, gees everyone that dpreview is some maniac site everybody over there seems to know everything lol, anyway looking at RAW samples the high ISO does seem really nice and I kind of think ISO 12800 is much better than 6400 from my 5D II.

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That sounds quite a bit better, yet. I'm quite happy now it has both a CF and a SD card slot as saving up my money for that camera isn't that easy and in the beginning I'm going so save as much money as possible. Now in this case I can just use on my SD cards.
Battery grip and CF card will follow later. :roll:

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imaging-resource has samples up and all I can say is WOW high ISO almost on par with the D4 and better detail than D4;)

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not liking the lock button on the mode dial will make this a completely useless camera for me as i only have partial use of my left hand after an accident with a chainsaw.
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Hi folks,

Much has been made of improvements to the 5D3 sensor but maybe RAW shooters should take stock:

    AH: Canon has indicated two stops improvement in high ISO performance relative to the 5D Mark II. We understand this figure refers to in-camera JPEG files with noise reduction. Approximately how much of an improvement in high ISO performance or low ISO dynamic range is expected in RAW (CR2) files when using the latest Canon DPP software?

    CW: These figures are not being disclosed, but of course they will be lower than the noise reduction achieved with in-camera JPEGs and EOS Movies.
This is an excerpt from an interview of Chuck Westfall (technical advisor at the Professional Engineering & Solutions Division, Canon U.S.A. Inc) by Arash Hazeghi which you can read here.

A very honest answer but I don't think this reflects at all well on Canon's attitude to its customers. RAW performance is going to be measured by reviewers anyway and Canon obviously knows what the improvements are. Putting my cynical hat is it possible that Canon would far rather the 2 stop improvement be mistakenly attributed to the sensor, a mistake a number of us may have made, rather than the processing used to produce JPEGs? :roll:

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