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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:43 am 
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The guy in This Video said that the quality of the 600D and 60D is "identical". He then progressed to say that it also applies the 7D. How true is this?

He also said that the aperture is changed by using the back dial. Is this compulsory though? Could I still control it from the top finger dial?

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Short answer: True. The 7D's image quality makes no difference. Personally, that's why I'm still using the EOS 500D and didn't upgrade. The difference in image quality is neglectable.

The second question: I like the back dial. For example in the manual mode you can control the shutter speed via the top finger dial and the aperture via the back dial. . But I'm nut sure how much you can customize the dials on the 60D / 7D.

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Is that based on using the lowest ISO, or in general?

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In general. Same dynamic range, same ISO noise, same colors.
What you pay more for are things like the better viewfinder, the higher speed, the weather sealing etc. - but not for the image quality. All the features you get are nice and I'd really love them - but only combined with a better image quality. That's why I'm waiting for the next generation until I upgrade.

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I hope all of the 'full auto mode' newbies see this thread :D

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The 18MP sensor in the 550D, 600D, 60D and 7D, as far as anyone can prove without Canon saying so, are practically identical in terms of light collection. The 7D one has additional read out channels which means it can dump the data faster, but that gets you more images, not different character ones.

As for the dials and things, it depends on the mode you're in but it's customisable in the custom menus anyway.

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I hope all of the 'full auto mode' newbies see this thread :D

Shall I add some pictures for them? :lol:

They may often read sentences like "Get better lenses for the image quality - the body doesn't affect it that much."
Very often they don't really believe it or say something like they don't want a lens that's more expensive than the camera itself. In my case I do have several lenses that are more expensive than the body - but they are an important part of the camera, not just funny accessories.

Cheap 500D + nice 100-400mm lens:
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Cheap 500D + 100mm 2.8L macro lens:
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OK - sometimes expensive lenses aren't everything. A nice flash can be just as helpful. Cheap + old 300D + cheap 50mm 1.8 + very nice Speedlite 580EX II:
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Even if you were using the much more expensive 7D the pictures wouldn't look noticably better. If the shots were taken with the 7D and therefore with cheaper lenses the results would probably look worse (less sharpness, longer closest focusing distance, less reach, less light / smaller aperture).
Short: I want a better high ISO noise performance! That's what the body can really improve.

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Jiko, if you want better high ISO noise performance, you are indeed correct in waiting for the next generation. My 7D cameras do some things notably better than my 40D, but better high ISO noise performance is not one of them.

When I want to shoot at high ISO, I shoot my 5D1 at ISO 3200, and use the fastest lens that is applicable to the situation. A 7D's images fall apart any higher than ISO 3200, and at 3200, I prefer the 5D's images.

Good glass is, indeed, the path to good images! I could have bought my beloved 35L, 50L, and 400mm 5.6L much sooner, had I postponed upgrading camera bodies beyond the 40D level. (I bought the 100L when my best cameras was the 40D.) Hindsight is 20/20.

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I hope the 5D3 will be payable! In that case I'd go for it and keep the 500D for when I need the "extra crop reach". The 5D3's ISO performance will be nice - I can smell it! But looking at other cameras released within the last year even crop frame cameras might get an improved ISO performance. We'll see :)

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