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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:55 am 
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Hi, Im looking at getting a new camera, the 60D, but I'm new to the world of DSLR photography and I'm not sure which lens will be best. At the moment the lens i am looking at the most is the 18-135mm. But its lack of a USM motor is worrying me. Should I worry about the noise and speed of motor in the 18-135mm.
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If you are new to the world of DSLR and photography, welcome.

In my experience, you have to ask yourself what you will mainly use the camera for? DSLR cameras by its nature are noisy. And its the actuall CLICK sound that ppl hear, not so much the autofocus motor of the Lens.

The 18-135mm lens is a nice all purpose lens if you dont want the kit lens and in my opinion it performs better than the 18-200mm in terms of optical quality. BUT, they are both NON-USM lenses and so will make a sound and the focusing ring will turn. But this isnt such a deal breaker in my opinion, after a few days I forgot that my lenses made a sound on my Olympus camera. In weddings, people dont hear it unless you stand near them (or infront)

The only downside of not having a USM motor is that it does not have a distance window (like the 15-85mm) and it doesnt focus as fast (just a fraction of a second faster however, but thats important to some people.)

The only reason why Id recomend the 18-135mm for you as a first lens if you are thinking of it is
1) if you are new to photogrpahy, it will help you decide what you new lens will be. Because its an all purpose lens you will ask yourself at one point "boy I wish I had more zoom" OR "boy I wish I had something wider" OR "I wish my lens was faster when I took a picture" and viola, you just chose a new lens to compliment your 18-135.
2) its an all purpose lens, you can use it for almost anything
3) the 18-200 takes odd images at 18mm... I recomend testing out both in a store
4) they charge more for the 18-200mm
5) better than the 18-55

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:40 am 
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Hi, Yeah I feel that the 18-135mm will be a lens that will allow me to learn what I need.

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When I bought my second 7D, it was in the pre-owned case at the dealer. In the same case was a pre-owned but seemingly unused 18-135mm lens, and it was offered to me to use to test the 7D while inside the store. I was not bothered by any noise, and it was quite fast and smooth in operation; I did not notice lack of USM, and wished I would have been able to afford both the 7D and the lens!

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If you have the funds, I would always recomend the 15-85 over the:
17-85
18-55
18-200
18-135

Just because its one of the sharpest lens Ive seen for the price. The only other lens I think is sharper is the 17-55mm but its too expensive, and after that is the L series lenses.

In the end, I would skip any super zoom to get the 15-85 or the 17-55.

If I couldnt afford the 15-85, the 18-135 is the one Id go for, you can go wrong. :) But like I said, if you are new to DSLR photography, Id get the 18-135 and then at least you have an all purpose lens AND then you can decide what KIND of lens to go for next, a telephoto or a wide, or a prime.

Have fun.

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Yeah, thanks for your opinions. Im stretching my budget as it is. Im trying to purchase it as a kit, and unfortunately, jessops, my overpriced photography does not offer the 15-85 and 60d in a kid, its a shame really as i was looking at that.

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unfortunately, jessops, my overpriced photography does not offer the 15-85 and 60d in a kid, its a shame really as i was looking at that.


Why does it have to be in a kit?


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Why does it have to be in a kit?


Tends to be cheaper by a few hundred dollars. I got my Kit about 400 bucks cheaper than if I bought it seperately.

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I got my Kit about 400 bucks cheaper than if I bought it seperately.


That's amazing, to be quite honest. May I ask where you found that deal? Every 15-85mm bundle I've ever seen saved you about $50 tops.


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Well, in Australia there is this massive chain store called JB HiFi, and they arent really cheap but if you can proove that a local store is selling grey imports via a store front (not online) then they will match it. Because they still make money by selling you the accessories.

So I get a cheap deal for grey market price and in return I buy extended warranty, bag, filters and anything else I might need.

I personally would have bought from a grey market, because the GST that is charged here plus the fact that retailers in australia charge too much (I can save 500 bucks even if I ship the same kit from the USA WITH shipping) But if a Massive store like JB HiFi is willing to deal, Im happy to work to their rules.

So they would only match if its a real storefront, and they will match it only if you dont buy the camera on its own, which imo is fair. IT means grey importers dont get my money and I support the aussie market. And here in Australia, cost price is normally not the cost price the store paid for the camera.

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Here in Australia, the Body is 1800 and the lens is 1300 sot hats 3100 retail (so say about 2800 with some haggling if you are into that.)

But in a kit its 2700 and about 2600 or 2500 with some haggling.

For 2600 I got filter, a lowepro backpack and 2 extra years.... so yea, its all about hagling and making them work for your money, not the other way around. Aussie retail is just robbery sometimes.

Retail is also dyiung in Australia because our dollar is so high yet the prices are NOT competitive and the overseas prices are just.... well, BETTER!

One thing I noticed is that if you buy kits, they are ALWAYS cheaper if the retail stores are over charging.

So back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC

If budget is worrying you get the 18-135. You will not regret it. If you can shell out for the money 15-85 and if you think you can afford it, the 24-105 L series lens is probably the best lens I have ever used... ever.

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I have been told the tamrons and sigmas are not that bad.. are they worth looking at.. I'm a bit of a one brand for all my bits kind of person. :roll:

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Leo wrote:
The only other lens I think is sharper is the 17-55mm but its too expensive

Frankly, you're comparing apples with pears. The 17-55mm has sharper optics but that's not the only thing you're paying extra for. You didn't point out its key advantage over the other lenses you mentioned - its constant aperture of f/2.8. If your photography is often done in low light and it's not practical to use a flash or shoot at a low shutter speed, that f/2.8 aperture can arguably justify its cost premium over the other lenses.

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, thanks for pointing that out - yes the 2.8 throughout is great, I forgot about that detail.

And Gareth, Sigma and Tamron make some nice lenses too - but Im like you, I stick to the one brand, kinda like the idea that I can rely on Canon's wisdom, but Sigma has never let me down in the past.

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