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 Post subject: Where next for Canon?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:29 pm 
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With the announcement of the 1D X we will have, once it is finally released, an 18MP full frame speed machine. Some portion of 1D4 owners might miss the crop though, and 1Ds3 owners might want more resolution.

So looking ahead what might we see? The 5D3 is a strong choice to be updated within a year or so. Canon could go one of two directions. Use the same 18MP sensor from the 1D X with lower spec everywhere else. That would allow some cost saving for Canon in making one sensor, but would leave Canon out of the high resolution market where it is sounding likely Sony and Nikon will keep playing in. The other route then of course is to have another high MP sensor.

There's one rumour that springs to mind - while the 1D line was said to be combined which has now happened, there was talk of a possible split to the 5D. One assumption was a video orientated model, and a more conventional DSLR model. But could there be lower and higher resolution models instead? Both don't need to be called 5D, and there may be another _D new model.

I also wonder if there will be something up in crop sensor land. Is APS-H dead now? Might they try to uplift the 7D into that space?

My guess: I don't think Canon will abandon the higher MP space and there will be a high resolution full frame body within a year placed at or above current 5D levels. There may be a second affordable full frame body with the 18MP sensor taking up the lower cost space below it. I think a 7D replacement will stay APS-C. Canon are due bringing out a new APS-C sensor.

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With the new edition in Canon's line up is it a safe bet to say the 5D mk3 will now be a year away? If so, i might just wonder into the shops this Christmas and see how the mk2 feels :roll:


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There was a thread about predictions for Canon's roadmap and there was some opinion that a 5D III would be out in time for the Olympics on the basis that Canon would wish to cash in on promotions for the Games.

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Just for fun my prediction is that Canon have already seen their 1-series sales cannibalised by a much cheaper 5-series model once and they aren't likely to want to repeat the experience.

That implies a 5D3 with the same basic sensor as the 1D X but with less read out channels and one DIGIC 5 processor to run it. AF and metering will also be a downgrade from the 1D X, not because it has to be but just so they can differentiate the models. Burst speed will be reduced significantly (5 fps), weather resistance on a par with the 7D and just one CF card slot to boot. Actually, pretty much everything will be a downgrade from the 1D X specs except the sensor, the battery and, hopefully, the new AF micro-adjust and the in-camera lens correction.

But that would still make the 5D3 a very desirable camera providing the pricing was comparable to the 5D2 when it was introduced.

Might Canon introduce a high end high megapixel camera priced in the same ballpark as the 1D X? Maybe it's time to resurrect the 3-series... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Canon are now the only major player out there (or have I forgotten one?) without a compact system/mirrorless/ILC/EVIL/whatever camera announcement. But, despite the fact that I'd love it to be a full-framer using that same 18 MP sensor, I somehow doubt it will be. :evil: :lol:

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I think like Bob. Canon won’t abandon the “affordable” full frame line. The new boy in town is targeted at professionals with a decent income that can justify the high cost. My guess is that the 5D will inherit the new sensor (arguably the hottest new feature) and only some of the bells and whistles of the new 1D, in order to lower costs and keep it in the “affordable” range. As for downgrading to a lower resolution, well, they weren’t shy to downgrade some of the 50D features when they came out with the 60 D, gently directing the customers to the still strong 7D for a more advanced body if needed. In short, if one doesn’t like the new 5D there is the new 1D (for about double the price like the transition from the 60D to 7D)

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I dont think that APS-H is dead... I think it will still continue because its quite useful for wildlife photographers actually.

So I think They'll still keep it going like:

1Ds Mark IV
1D Mark V
and 1D X Mark II and so on so on ^^

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Why not...? But at least the German Canon website says that the 1D X is going to replace the existing two models.

Personally, if I had to choose, I guess I'd prefer the 1D4 at the moment. But I haven't seen the difference in terms of high ISO, yet.

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Hi Jiko,

From Rob Galbraith's 1D X write up:
    By adopting a full-frame image sensor in the new model, rather than the smaller 1.3X size found in the EOS-1D Mark IV, Canon was able to increase the pixel pitch from 5.7µm to 6.95µm and increase the total number of pixels by about two million. All other things being equal, larger pixels lead to better high ISO quality than smaller pixels, so the pixel pitch increase alone should mean the EOS-1D X produces better low light pictures than its direct predecessor.

    Canon has also evolved the sensor technology, reworking the internals of each pixel on the way to producing what Westfall says is the lowest noise of any EOS digital SLR to date. By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV.
Of course nobody has seen a production camera yet and there's no indication that the two stop advantage will carry all the way down to low ISO settings but it's little snippets like this that have me believing that the new sensor is something very special and it would be a real shame if it, or something very similar, didn't make it into something like a 5D2 successor.

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if 1D X is going to replace the 1D and 1Ds series according to the Germans. I hope Canon atleast makes the 1Ds Mark IV.. but why not keep all 3 series?
Just look at the Nikon series.... they go like hmm: D3, D3s, D3x, D3Xs and D3H maybe (have no clue about Nikon xD).

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There has been a shuffling of camera positions that started from the 7D, then 60D, now the 1D X. Who knows what the next move will be... while it appears the 1D line has been revised, the big question is what happens around it? I think there is now space for two non-1D level full frame bodies. One will be the 5D3. What will the other one be?

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Could it be possible there is a 1D Y (x and y being different axis on the same graph) on the cards? A hi resolution camera for the pro landscape / studio / portrait proffessionals?

Hi resolution uses up processing power so fps would be a lot less along with a whole host of other features.

Same FF sensors could be rolled out into lower spec bodies in the 5D line the way they have with the 7D and the 600D lines

Crop sensors seem popular with those needing 'reach' from cameras. Why not add a full on Pro version of the 7D using the 3 processors from the 1D X. 14fps on a 1.6 crop sensor would have the sports Pro's happy surely

I am a newbie to the DSLR game so this probably sounds verydaft to those of you more industry aware

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Very quiet on the 5D3 front. The 1D X was a surprise and an interesting change of direction. It is up at the rather expensive end though. I think most people will be wanting to know when (and if?) there will be a 5D3. That should be more affordable, if it follows the 5D2 pricing.

The 5D2 is a good camera but the electronics are rather old now after the 7D and now the 1D X. It is definitely about time the 5D2 was replaced.

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if its true that full frame sensors are much more expensive to make, I could imagine the new 5D to be like a 7D with bigger sensor and a few little minor upgrades, to keep the cost between the 1D and the 7D.
The 1Dx`s shutter count increase to 400000 from 150000 is a big step up, something they may not do with the 5D to keep costs down.

I couldn`t imagine Canon giving in to the Mp race quite yet, so something bigger than 21Mp seems to make sense. Increasing the frame rate to around the 7D and 24-28 Mp seems about right.


As already mentioned it all seems to point to two new FF model lines appearing, one with the 18MP and one with a bigger one. Or specific video vs portrait landscape one.

1D, 3D, 5D, 7D sounds like a cool line up.
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maxjj wrote:
if its true that full frame sensors are much more expensive to make snip


It's as true as it gets, a full frame sensor is more than twice as big as an APS-C, and given that these are produced on a wafer (Probably 300mm ones, not sure)

Total Wafer (300mm) area: 77686mm^2
APS-C: 329mm^2 (236 pieces, - edges, - dead, maybe a yield of 70-80%?
FullFrame: 862mm^2 (90 pieces, - edges, - dead, maybe a yield of 50-70%?

I imagine a fullframe sensor can cost as much as 3 to 4 times an APS-C, depending on how good yields they are getting.

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I am surprised there is no announcement yet for a 5D replacement. The ID X and C300 are very high end expensive products. You would think that Canon would be looking at a 5D replacement. After all it is an affordable quality camera that should make them lots of money.

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