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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:53 am 
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The 430 can not act as a master. But to have a master you also must have a slave. If you get the 430 you can always get the 580 later and use the 430 as a slave.

The 580 is more weight to carry around. Getting all of this better kit all of the time usually means you end up with more weight to carry around. Where you don't need to carry more weight don't do so.

For me I am looking to get over (literally) the problems of the built in flash. The lens gets in the way especially with wide angled lenses. The 430 does that just fine by getting over the lens and avoiding lens shadow.

I have also been looking at getting a new camera body. The choice would be between the 7D and the 5Dmkll. Of course the 5Dmkll doesn't have a built in flash. But with all of the problems of a built in flash you need to go for a dedicated flash unit anyway. The 430 makes the big difference in that area. The 580 is just a relatively small step up from that. It's the 430 that makes the biggest difference and is therefore the best value for money.

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Another minor downside to 580EXII... obviously only applies if you are going to do remote triggering.

580EXII gives out a lot of RF interference which limits your trigger to receiver distance when using RF transmitters like Pocket Wizards. The 430EX II is better shielded and works fine.

Plenty of info on Google/You Tube and even on the Pocket Wizard site

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I recommend the 430EXII as a first flash, or as a slave flash, and only suggesting buying the 580EXII when you want to have a master for use in multi-flash setups. Why?

The 430 is smaller and lighter, so when I carry a flash on-camera I usually choose the 430, even though I have the 580 available. And of course, you save $200 buying the 430.

So, I would save your money and only invest in the 580 when you get ready to do multi-flash wireless setups.

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The main difference for me is 43 vs. 58 GN. That’s about 2/3 stops more. Not because I want to shoot at galaxies with it, but because it gives more range when bouncing it, and when using it in high speed mode and normally any flash loses much of its power, I have more room to maneuver. Another important ones are that it can go in manual at 1/125, and can be connected with a cheap PC cable.

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I have 430EXII for 3-4 weeks really love it. if i have more money (long wish list, lol) i would love to have one more.Just wanted to shard some thing.

Buy 480exII if you wanted a light kit and small for easy to store and use for long hours, shot a lot of indoor, use for short to medium rang flash and if you plan to own new DSLR like 60D or 7D in future (can use as off camera flash for Portrait wire wireless).

buy 580exII (mother ship :shock: by photofreak99 (good one) )
If you don't care about a heavy and large kit short a lot out door pic, use it form short to long and don't want to own both of this DSLR than this might good for you.
Cheer

P.S sorry for this one swatpup32 you don't have to see this part :oops:, just one to say something to photofreak99.
thank you for for youtube video about both of flash back when i really not sure with one, your review is easy and get to point thank. Oh sorry about the mother ship thing really love this word (lol) thank.

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I have 430EXII for 3-4 weeks really love it. if i have more money (long wish list, lol) i would love to have one more.Just wanted to shard some thing.

Buy 480exII if you wanted a light kit and small for easy to store and use for long hours, shot a lot of indoor, use for short to medium rang flash and if you plan to own new DSLR like 60D or 7D in future (can use as off camera flash for Portrait wire wireless).

buy 580exII (mother ship by photofreak99 (good one) )
If you don't care about a heavy and large kit short a lot out door pic, use it form short to long and don't want to own both of this DSLR than this might good for you.
Cheer

P.S sorry for this one swatpup32 you don't have to see this part , just one to say something to photofreak99.
thank you for for youtube video about both of flash back when i really not sure with one, your review is easy and get to point thank. Oh sorry about the mother ship thing really love this word (lol) thank.


have you tried using 430exII for outdoor portraits just to give some fill light or something? because I'm also planning to get this flash for my 550D. I would get 580exII if my dad is gonna be generous this coming Christmas :)).


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@eos550D

hmm.....

can't say much about it because i only have one change to take it out with me on shooting event in morning with me last week, but mantes to get few shoot with flash on subject only but it work very well form short to medium
rang. In outdoor medium rang it luck little bit of power (I not sure my be because wrong setting). when got chance unluckily my friend ready barrow my camera and mount it with EF 100-400L (:cry:), sorry.
but for a macro shoot as off camera flash it work very well.

P.S i would love to show 1 pic using it as off camera flash for macro portraits. Unluckily i can't because i don't how to post it(i try).

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Que? ... :oops:

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hmm.....

can't say much about it because i only have one change to take it out with me on shooting event in morning with me last week, but mantes to get few shoot with flash on subject only but it work very well form short to medium
rang. In outdoor medium rang it luck little bit of power (I not sure my be because wrong setting). when got chance unluckily my friend ready barrow my camera and mount it with EF 100-400L (), sorry.
but for a macro shoot as off camera flash it work very well.

P.S i would love to show 1 pic using it as off camera flash for macro portraits. Unluckily i can't because i don't how to post it(i try).


Oh okay well can you show some images as well taken with the flash (is this off-camera as well) when you were shooting in the event?

what do you mean you don't know how to post? you meant an image here on the forum or Post Process it? O_O


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I actually purchased both flashes back in January of this year. In my opinion both flashes have there strength. The flash I usually grab first is the 430EX II only trading up if I need more power. For people shots the 430EX II + 50mm 1.8 is a really light solution that I can carry all day. However, I generally use the 580 EX II when I'm working with my 10-22mm lens and a flash. Most my flash shots are indoors, usually opting for the 580EX II outdoors. Outside that I use the 580 in tandem with the 430 for product photography or occasionally on portraits. The stroboscopic mode on the 580 can be fun to play with, but it's really just a side note, IMO. Honestly, though flashes take a while to get a handle on and I usually don't opt to use them unless it's essential or I'm practicing.


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@ eos550

i can show you a macro pic and mostly off camera flash (I mostly use it as off camera flash) in event can't give u because all the shot with it right now are practice :( (sorry).
i don't know how to post it in the forum and what u mean Post Process ?? :( please give me a bit more detail .

P.S sorry for late reply very busy in past few day. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:15 pm 
ohh i see well if you have flickr that would be nice to show us your images :)

Post Process is when your going to retouch something in your images or cropping it whatsoever done by photoshop or any other photo editing softwares.

I'm guessing that many of the members including myself here uses lightroom 3 and photoshop.


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@ eos550D

i don't have flickr right now because i don't have many good photo to post yet (Still learn).
maybe in few more month went feel confection about my pic (:() and i only have yahoo Messenger right now.

So that Post Process mean. yes I have both of this software in my PC but hardly use.
I mostly use ACDsee Photo for normal jpg editing, but now i will try to use
photoshop more because feel that it more useful then ACDsee.

cheer mate :D

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