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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:20 pm 
After doing a bit more reading about this I think I need to get my eyes checked. I have the dial at the most negative setting and still get bad results with MF :shock:. Thanks popo.


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Just to clarify the question about the 28-135mm kit lens, that's just Canon USA continuing to insist on supplying this older lens as a kit option. They did it with the 50D and 40D before that. My photo and press release came from Canon USA, hence the use of that particular lens. It's an ok lens, but for me isn't wide enough for an APS-C body as a general purpose model.

It will be interesting to see the impact of diffraction at this pixel density though, and which lenses can also supply sufficient resolution...

PS - hey, any of you guys pre-ordering from Amazon, don't forget to do so via our Partner stores page! This is the only way we get paid and can continue the site!


It's funny over at that unmentionable website that we don't link to here, they've got photos of it with a 15-85... but I doubt they'd bundle it with that particular lens. I agree that 28mmx1.6 isn't wide enough

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PS - hey, any of you guys pre-ordering from Amazon, don't forget to do so via our Partner stores page! This is the only way we get paid and can continue the site!


I must admit I forgot to do that when ordering on amazon.fr. I just canceled and ordered again, this time using your link. Still not guaranteed to get it form Amazon though, as if I can get it at a local store for the same price I will do so as easier to take back etc. We will see.


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I was looking at one established UK reseller. They list 7D body only at £1700, kit with 18-135 at £2100, and kit with 15-85 at £2400. That puts the lenses at £400 and £700 respectively! Ouch... the 15-85 better be good at that price. 17-55 2.8 good.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:55 pm 
Have just had a look at Canon UK e-tailers for the latest prices, all prices stated as a pre-order at all the following sites, prices are body only.
The most expensive are Devon Cameras and Walters Photo and Video at £1699.99
All of the following are at £1699.00
Calumet
Cameraworld
Jessops
Park Cameras
Warehouse Express
Now a little drop to £1695 for Bristol Cameras
Now for the really good news....
Freehand http://www.justcanon.com/ are offering on pre-order the 7D for... £1499.95, a saving of £200 already, looks like the battle has commenced.


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For simplicity, I wouldn't consider a fiver difference to be significant if you're spending over a grand and half, so I'd consider the usual suspects to all be at £1700.

Never heard of Freehand before, but if they're a sign of what's to come in general I'm happy :)

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Never heard of Freehand before, but if they're a sign of what's to come in general I'm happy :)


If you're that easy to please, I've got a company called PG's Retirement Fund and we're selling 7D's at £1100a piece. Honest.


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Can I collect in person? :P

But that's what I meant... never heard of them, wouldn't buy from them without a lot more research, but if other more long established players starts going that way, I'm happy.

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Looking at the freehand company, they do seem to be quite large and legit. I have not looked at online reviews of them though, which I will when I have time.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:45 pm 
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I'm diggin' this camera. I can see me self getting one once the prices on them drop a little.

Does this mean no 60D? The XXD series is dead? or are they adding a tweener between the full frame 5dII and the 50/60D?


I think this is to avoid confusing with the nikon series

Then people won't go "Is that a 60D? but 60D is just a lowend DSLR!!"


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There will be a 60D. The 50D exists, and I don't think too many people confused it with the Nikon D50.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm 
I also think 60D exists, but probably not this year to give a breathing room to its big bro, 7D


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TBH though, I personally think its a bad move. I think everything should be going to full frame...


But then they would be ignoring a *huge* installed base of EF-S users.


I think that really depends on the audience. If you want to support all of the EF-S lenses out there, you design for it. If you want to come up with a product that gives people incentive to buy and/or upgrade bodies and lenses, you build for EF.

The people who buy up all of the EF-S lenses aren't upset that the 1D/5D won't support it because those cameras are out of their league and/or price range anyway.

IMO there are two classes of DSLR users, those who know/want the benefits of Full Frame, and those who don't. Most of the "photog" friends of mine don't have a clue what I'm saying when I mention that I'm disappointed the 7D wasn't FF.

Also IMO, what would be a HUGE mistake is if they made the APS-C bodies no longer compatible with EF lenses. That would pretty much kick any sort of upgrade path to the curb.

That said, I'm a HUGE fan of FF. I want it desperately, but I'm buying the 7D. I'll probably regret it when Canon releases a FF with all the same features for only $1000 more, but that's what you get with technology. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:52 pm 
You can buy the new 15-85mm for far less in the US, $799 (UKPounds 493) from Adorama for example.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 pm 
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You can buy the new 15-85mm for far less in the US, $799 (UKPounds 493) from Adorama for example.


If they post it over to the UK, you'll have to pay import duty. In the end, you'll end up paying a similar amount. On the other hand, if you fly out to the US ...


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