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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:53 pm 
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I got £300 to spend.

Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 EX DG Macro (Canon AF) - £289.99

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Canon EF 50mm f1.8 MK2 - £89.99
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Canon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Mk2 - £189.99

Thats what I have narrowed it down to.

Basically, I want to be able to take descent portrait photos, and have something to cover my 55-80mm gap in my lenses, but also take over most of the duties from both since my 18-55 and 80-210 arn't that good at all.

The idea was the Sigma was better build quality, F/2.8 can create a shallow enough Depth of Field for portraits for me, and it takes over the kit lens most of the time. but still leaves me with a 70-80mm gap in my lenses which isn't that important but does bug me, plus it doesn't take over anything from my 80-210 kodak lens.

The fixed 50mm F/1.8 would do me good for portrait photography because of the very shallow Depth of Field. The 28-105 F/3.5-4.5 USM has a faster focusing motor than the kit lens, slightly better build quality, and covers a good range fixing my little gap that I have, and taking over duty from both the kit lens and the kodak lens most of the time.


So theres my arguments, I'm leaning towards the 50mm + 28-105mm but I wan't to know what you recommend.

(FYI - I'll be getting a lens at Christmas to replace the wide angle end, probably around 11-22mm range, so I'm not in a hurry for wide angle.)

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Hi Daniel! Unfortunately my favorite sources don't have the Sigma tested. It could be a very good lens! It's full-frame so at least the corner-results on an APS-C sensor should not be too bad. That fits also to the MTF-charts that Sigma have up on their web-site. I would be intereted in a reliable test too.
The canon zoom doesn't look too good. The EF 24-105mm f/4 USM L IS is much better, but then you pay for it.
You know, what I'd do in your case? Just buy the 50/1.8 now, that will be complemented by some wide-angle-zoom and then concentrate on the range 70-200/300 with IS at a later point in time!

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Yeah I had thought about that, although there is reasons why I wanted the 105mm.

The 80-210 Kodak has a minimum focusing distance of 1.5m which is pretty rubbish when compared to the 0.5m of the Canon, letting me do closer shots.

I understand about saving for the IS lenses, and tbh I probably won't see a Luxury lens for a good year or so, but what I am thinking of doing is buying a second hand IS telephoto of eBay from a descent seller.

I will certainly take the idea into serious consideration Thomas - thanks :D

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PS

Lens budget has been put up to around £500-£550 at a push

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Heres the deal...

Canon EF 50mm f1.8 MK2 - £89.99

Canon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Mk2 - £189.99

Then I can also get EITHER:

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM (Canon AF) - £299.99

OR

Canon EF 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 USM -£252.99


I was personally leaning more towards the 50+28-105+10-20 giving me a sweet 10-105 range with descent quality lenses considering I'm only starting out.

So thats my re-evaluated lens selection.


If anyone can come up with a better lens for the 20-105+ (higher than 105 would be better) range then please do tell, since it isn't the best quality. The max I can pay on that range is £200 because I still have to get filters aswell.

(P.S. Please make good choices lol - this is my Christmas btw!) [Yes I do notice it isn't christmas yet, but the mother has been kind :D]

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Hi Daniel, if you're in this for a long time and committed to the brand, I'd also consider the option of buying fewer, but better quality lenses... remember in the not so distant old days, many of us made do with 50mm lenses alone for quite a while! (obviously a 50mm on a 35mm film SLR is wider and arguably more useful than on a cropped frame DSLR, but you get the idea!)

So what's your total budget for lenses over the next few months? And what do you think will be your favourite or most used focal lengths? Are you into landscapes, portraits, low light etc...


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Well, I've only just scraped up the money for the camera by selling some half of last christmas, and my mum has given me this comming christmas early, so I'd say budget for the next 4 months isn't gonna be very much at all.

Just now £550 is what I can spend.

The reason I selected those 3 lenses, is mainly because it means I won't need to use the kit lens any more, which is a good thing.

I would love to buy the better quality lenses, along with IS or L, but really, I don't think I can get the money together to buy them just now. When I go to Uni next year, I get a bursery of £3000+ that I DO NOT have to pay back, along with a student loan of £6000+ that I DO have to pay back, and since photography is a big part of the Multimedia Development Course (Web design, video, photography, animation, print, audio etc.) I'll probably get the better lenses then. So around this time next year I'll be able to buy them, which gives me more time just to get better at photography, before splashing out on the lenses.

The camera body may be one half of the equation, and the lenses the other half, but without the photographer, neither are going to do much. So my main idea is work with some more basic kit (well still costs a load of money but not as much as other stuff does!) then once I'm better at it, get better lenses and camera body later on.

The main Idea was I'd get this stuff just now, then save for an IS telephoto lens with the money I get for christmas for my family (luckily I have a large family, aunties uncles etc.) so I'll get that then.

Sorry If I sound like I am totally dismissing your advice lol, but the higher grade lenses are just out of my budget at the moment.

If there are any lenses with a higher build quality, that don't break the £600 mark and I'm still getting the same focal range covered (10-105+) then please do tell :D

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Daniel, I hear what you're saying, but 550 pounds is actually quite a decent budget for one or two quality lenses...

If it were me, and I were a wide angle nut, I'd probably spend it on the Canon EF-S 10-22mm (superb) and a 50mm f1.8 for general and low light use.

Or maybe the EF-S 17-85mm plus the 50mm f1.8 if I needed a low light option too...

Spreading it over 3 lenses though will involve compromises...


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Well, I haven't look at the price of the canon wide angle lens (bed time so no time lol!) but "apprently" it is better quality!

Even if I just get the 50mm just now, e.g. this week, at least I know that lens will benifit me.

I will ask if i'd be able to try out the lenses, but I don't know if Jessops do that or not! I'd have to go to a bigger jessops as the one near me doesn't have a lot of the lenses in stock, they order them in next day from edinburgh, but I might be going over there soon anyway.

So now its the debate between 10-22 Sigma, 10-22 Canon and 24-70 Sigma

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:19 pm 
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So now its the debate between 10-22 Sigma, 10-22 Canon and 24-70 Sigma


Watch Gordons video on the Canon 10-22, I have this lens and used it a lot when over in Ireland for 3 weeks in the summer it does get a great deal in, for me it's the mutts nutts


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Hi Daniel, the Sigma 28-70 f2.8 sounds like a nice lens, but it doesn't get that wide or that long either, so I think you'd probably do almost as well with the 50mm f1.8, while enjoying a quicker aperture and the requirement to wander round your shot rather than standing still and zooming - believe me, you'll get better photos by exploring the shot on foot!

Then for the wide stuff you'll have the Canon 10-22mm, which goes from ultra wide to only slightly wide - in fact you'd be surprised how usable the 22mm end will be for day to day stuff.

I think this plus the 50mm f1.8 for more powerful or lower light stuff, would be a great twin lens solution for starters and also fits in nicely with, say, a 70-200 or 300mm telephoto zoom in the future...

That's my advice and I'm sticking to it!


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How about 28mm f1.8 prime for a general purpose lense? On cropped body it would amount to around 45mm so it's almost standard 50mm on full size body. I got this lens with my 400D and I am very impressed with its sharpness and very fast autofocus. Also it's EF lens so you could use it on full sized bodies.


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If I were on Canon, I'd have the 10-22mm in a sec and than think about going either 35mm/f2 or 50mm/f1.8 with everything else left to 70-300mm later on.
But Daniel, the real problem with giving you sound advice is that we don't have a feeling for your tendency towards the (very-)very-wide angle. Might be that a zoom starting at 17mm makes you perfectly happy. This is a side effect of buying too much at a time.
Slow down...
Try out...
Let your preferences grow
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