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 Post subject: canon 40d
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Is the canon 40d a cropped or full frame? I have a canon rebel t2i (am in the U.S) and I want to upgrade to a full frame but I am totally ignoramt on that department, please note that I am looking for something preowned for budget purposes.
I also want to take better pics of landscapes/storms/scenery, what would you suggest for lens and for a full frame and for my t2i?

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:44 pm 
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The 40D is crop frame. On Canon's lineup, the full frame DSLRs are the 5D and the 6D, and I believe some of the 1D lineup, but I don't know which.

As for the lens, what lens do you own currently?

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:25 am 
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The Canon full frame models:

1Ds Mark I/II/III/IV
1DX
5D Mark I/II/III
6D

Think I got them all now ;).

The 1D Mark (fill in here) is not full frame but has a crop factor of 1,3 called APS-H. Other camera's all have a crop factor of 1,6 called APS-C.

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 pm 
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Canon 40D's senor theoretically two generations behind what found on rebel t2i
its 10mp sensor
the successor has a 15mp ( canon 50D)
followed by 18mp( like 7d, 60,d and ur's)
So technically u r not going to get a better picture, in fact may comes with much unsatisfactory results.
But the handing part is going to be a total different league

u could easily found great used 5d mark2 to with great prize now a days
coupled with 24-105 f4, its a killer combination, the same lens can be useful in ur current body with some wide angle loose

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:23 pm 
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renjith wrote:
But the handing part is going to be a total different league


Concerning that, renjith is right. First and quite noticeable difference is that the 40D is actually quite heavy. It's not like it's successors, the 50D, 60D and the announced 70D. This was the last camera in the xxD lineup that the body was made more similarly to the 7D rather than the plastic bodies of the xxxD range. Also, something pretty nice about the 40D is the LCD on the top. The 40D is chunkier and allows for more space on the grip, so if you have large hands, that's a pro as well.

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:17 pm 
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The handling of the 40D is great. Though you're confusing the 50D and the 60D, pierovera. The 40D and 50D's bodies are very similar. It's the 60D which has seemingly stepped down a grade

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
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Oh it was the 60D? I was positive it had been since the 50D, but alright, thanks for correcting me :)

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Getting back to the original post, frenchy1965, why do want to go to full frame specifically?

Full frame is not necessarily better than crop just because it is full frame. I am fairly certain I would get better results on a cropped 7D over a full frame 1Ds mark 1.
A full frame sensor is larger, but it is also more demanding of the lens. Lenses are generally weak in the corners, so you are getting the best part of the lens from the crop bodies. Also, EF-S lenses cannot be used on a full frame camera as they were meant for crop frame cameras exclusively.

What do you feel is lacking with your T2i?

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Thank you all for your answers.

BleuDragon,I don't think that there is something wrong with what I have, but for what I understand from a lot of stuff that I read online you can do a lot more with a full frame. For example if I want a big, and I mean big zoom for wildlife in a distance for example, well I just cannot find anything that is made for that for a cropped model, most are for full frame and none are ef-s size. I do understand the concept of taking the size and multiplying it by 1.6 but since I am really at the beginning of photography (even though I know what I want to do, which is landscapes, storms and wildlife,mostly birds) I am just not sure that the lenses that are not ef-s would do the job.

I recently, since I posted this, purchased a 10-22mm ef-s and should get it in the mail any day now, but I am still lacking a large zoom for I think what you call telephoto.


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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:32 pm 
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You can absolutely use any EF-mount lenses on your camera... You see two dots on your camera's lens mount, one red (EF) and one white (EF-S) - your camera is compatible with both :) EF-S lenses make sense for wide-angle because you're fighting the 1.6 crop factor and getting wide is harder since it makes all lenses appear 'longer'... but when you're trying to do telephoto, the crop factor actually helps! It turns a 400mm lens into a 640mm equivalent field of view, essentially giving you greater 'reach' out of a lens.

If you want to do wide-angle landscapes and scenery photos then moving to a full-frame camera like a used 5D Mark II or even an original 5D makes sense, but since you've invested in the 10-22 already then stick with a crop-frame like a 40D/50D/60D/7D and enjoy the benefits of extra reach from your eventual longer lenses :)

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:48 pm 
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I agree with Plymer completely. To get near the 18mm you get with the kit lens with an EF lens, you would need to either buy the EF 17-40mm or the EF 20mm. Also, no EF lens matches in price and range with the EF-S 10-22mm, it's a nice wide angle that only the EF 8-15 mm would be able to give you on crop-frame. Note that the 10-22mm is $860 and the 8-15mm is $1500. Also the latter is a fisheye lens.

So yeah, in conclusion EF-S lenses work best for wide angle, and EF lenses work best for telephoto. Also, as a bonus, if you ever do decide to upgrade to full-frame, you'll get to keep all your EF lenses.

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:43 pm 
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Most lenses work best in the center and get worse as you get to the edges. This is not always a negative, especially with portraits, as you may want all the attention on the center.

What this means is that when you mount an EF lens to your crop frame body, you are using the best part of the lens for your picture. EF-s lenses are designed to take advantage of a crop body not needing as much glass, so they can get a similar focal length at a lower price. However, you still have the fact the edges are not going to be as good as the center.

Bird photographers generally prefer a cropped 7D, which is about 4 years old at this point, over the full frame 5DIII which is only about a year old. The 7D provides excellent image quality, durably made, and the cropped sensor means they are getting "closer" to their image with a higher burst rate for taking photos. The higher burst rate enables them to be more likely to get the best shot.

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
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You guys are awesome ! Thank you all for the feedbacks. :D


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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:28 pm 
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pierovera wrote:
To get near the 18mm you get with the kit lens with an EF lens, you would need to either buy the EF 17-40mm or the EF 20mm. Also, no EF lens matches in price and range with the EF-S 10-22mm [...]


I'm going to be pedantic here for a moment and say that's incorrect. A lens with a field of view the same as a 10-22 is the 16-35L... but it is ridiculously expensive and a lot heavier than the 10-22 (I've used both). The EF-S 18-55mm lens gives you a field of view closer to a full-frame 27-90mm lens, which nearly matches the old EF 28-80mm standard zooms from the film days :)

My pedantic moment is over... Apologies ;)


Good luck with your purchases Frenchy!

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 Post subject: Re: canon 40d
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Oh I guess I should've explained myself better, Plymer. Don't worry :P

What I meant was that to get the same FOV with an EF lens on CROP, not FF, as an EF-S lens, you'd need the 20mm or the 17-40mm. I am aware that to get the same result that you get on crop with the 10-22mm, but on FF, you'd need the 16-35mm.

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