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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:02 pm 
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I have been experimenting with my new Tamron 70-300 lens on my Sony a200 camera.

I quite like this picture but it doesn't seem very sharp. is this the best I can get with camera / lens combination ?

I used the Auto settings for this shot. :oops:

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hi Ricks, i have the same setup, i used auto when i first got the camera now i use aperture priority i find the tamron works well at f8 and f11 apertures on a clear or sunny day,i thought id always be using the camera in auto mode but just learning from other people on here has helped considerably

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Ok, had a little play with photoshop, auto levels and a blue filter...

please let me know what you think, and any tips on how I can improve.

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im no expert but the swans head is not as soft as the first one imho
and in the second image the water colour distracts slightly but like i said im no expert this is just my opinion i could be completly wrong in my observation

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First one looks like a slight misfocus to me. Note the neck looks a little sharper than the front of the head. Personally I use center point AF on continuous for this. Do note that the ripples in the background are often more interesting to the AF system so gets picked over the head.

Second one has an over-processed feel to me, mainly a touch too much sharpening I think.

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I agree with Popo. The first one is a bit misfocus :?

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What shutter speed and focal length did u use?

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exactly as popo says.

First one looks to be a misfocus - I find it happens to me if the focus is on Auto, sometimes it doesn't seem to register what it is you want to take a picture of.

The second one, although colours are rich, you've used the sharpen filter too much, so you end up with grainey outlines and rough edges.

Post up the originals and I could have a look for you.


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Thank you for the advice..

I wasn't using center point focus, didn't take much notice of shutter speed or focal length as everything was switched onto auto.

PhilDiggle, the swan neck in the first picture is straight from the camera except for a 25% resize

This is the original from the camera of the whole swan, again 25% reduced size.

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Riks, thanks for the original.

Having looked at it some more, something going wrong with the focusing somewhere as the finer details of the swan are lost.

As a side note, you may want to think about composition when taking pictures too. There's a few articles throughout the forum in reference to Rule of Thirds.

Anyway, I've had a quick play, here's my result:
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What I've done:
Auto-Levels
Re-opened levels and boost midtones and highlights
Contrast boost using Curves and set to a shallow S shape
Adjust the Reds in the Midtones to produce a warmer feel
Cropped to tighter composition.

Unfortunately if you add any sharpening to the image it just ruins it, becomes too grainey around the head and the detail in the water.

Hope that helps?


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One thing to watch out for, particularly with swans, is blowing out the white areas. Phil's version loses a huge amount of detail on the swan. For times like these, I do a manual composite blend. Make two layers of the image. On one adjust for everything except the swan, the other only for the swan, then mix them back together so you get the best of both. If you want an example I'll have to do it when I get home later.

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popo wrote:
One thing to watch out for, particularly with swans, is blowing out the white areas. Phil's version loses a huge amount of detail on the swan. For times like these, I do a manual composite blend. Make two layers of the image. On one adjust for everything except the swan, the other only for the swan, then mix them back together so you get the best of both. If you want an example I'll have to do it when I get home later.


Well spotted Popo. Forgot to look out for the highlight on the neck when processing! I'll let you have a crack at that later :)


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