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In a quick scan of current full frame cameras, I believe the 1Ds mk3, D3 and D700 all have live view. The only one that doesn't is the 5D, but to be fair it is by far the oldest camera of the bunch getting on for 3 years now.

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I was doing some product photography yesterday and found fine-tuning the composition in Live View was much easier than through the OVF.

PS - Alex, sadly AF doesn't work in astro-photography. It's MF all the way. You're right though, tilting the monitor would help when the camera's pointing upwards! Although Canon's remote software does let you view LV on a computer screen, so the camera could be pointing upwards, but you could be comfortably viewing the image on your laptop - and manually focusing it from a warm room too. So there's another win for LV!


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Sure, but how many photographer take astronomic photography?? Is very curious that many photographer in Olympics, sport and studio for publicity or model use OVF and don´t LV. I have visit some studio pro and no body use LV and they have 1Ds MIII.
Anne Lubovith use a 1Ds MIII and use the OVF... :D

I say, the a900 has not LV and many people like it, sure, but this is a Pro camera, why is so important the LV than OVF?? is the LV more important than OVF??

The a900 has not LV or Video, soon we will see that cameras have not video is not a top.
This camera has the top LCD monocromatic (I don´t care about this), big OVF and the more bright and better, ergonomic, image quality, protection for water and dust, 5fps, can use APS-C lenses, etc, etc, etc... and just we see a gadget, LV...

Can anybody here use this camera without LV?? or is the camera unfuntional??

A true feature for a pro camera is not LV and when Sony can put LV like a300/a350 for me this will be welcome, but now I preffer a better OVF than LV unfuntional, for me...

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I've heard people that needs glasses on their noses all the time has found LV as a pretty handy feature to have as the OVF
then sometimes can be a real pain in the a** no matter of how big it is. :roll:
But A900 is a "professional camera" and maybe professionals doesn't care about the obvious benefits of Live View?
I can only guess, but I think this massive optical view finder is an outcome of some old Minolta head bangers still left at Sony's dslr department. If they would have squeezed in a LV on top of the inbuilt anti shake reduction system plus everything else this already fairly big piece of camera would've probably been
even bigger...quite an adventure to hand hold with a heavy lens and battery grip made of magnesium as it is.
The weaker army of photographers would have cried trying to hold still 3-4 kg of camera longer periodes of time.
Well...that's my speculations.

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The best is the a900 weight is 850grs... many neck will thank for that...

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...although I should add that I've never seen a better grip on any dslr. :wink:

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I did some product shots for a client a couple of weeks ago and could really have used live view for that assignment. There is a lot of trial and error since you can't get the excact DOF through the OVF and framing is a bit off because of the less than 100% coverage. I even used manual focus lenses with stop down metering so I didn't have to bother with a DOF preview button.

I can live without LV since I (almost) got the photos I needed but I believe that LV could have helped me and saved me alot of errors. I think I also could benefit from LV in macro work, it seems easier to compose from a distance so you don't have to "touch" the camera as much as if you use OVF.

For street/people or architecture I don't find it as critical and would prefere Sony A3xx implementation if so. The annoying part is that the technology is there so it's really hard to see the reason why they didn't incorporate LV into the A900. Almost everything else about the A900 is so great but lack of LV is one of the main reasons that makes me hesitate.

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Maybe someone should visit PhotoKina or email Sony and ask for the exact reason why LV was left out. Since it's a popular feature that is expected to be seen on all new DSLRs, and it came as a (not unpleasant) suprise even to me that it was not present on the A900, Sony must have (a) good reason(s) to leave it out.

However, from a PM that I received from Peter, I could say that LV would have brought extra complaints. Noiselevels of Alpha DSLRs are a big point of discussion, and the mirror flip-up LV system would only worsen this issue. By using the main sensor to get the image on the LCD-screen, it heats up. A hot sensor is a known cause for extra noise. So even at ISO 100 or 200, noise levels would be higher. Of couse this can be corrected later with post processing, but it will lead to other discussion. In some people's eyes, Sony just couldn't do the right thing. Leave LV out, get better noise-performance or intregrate LV and sacrifice some IQ...

To me, the only disappointment of the A900 is it's sensor. I'd rather see the same sensor used for the Nikon D3: less pixels, but great image quality. Who knows, maybe we'll see an A910/A900x/whatever it's name will be. Sony might even give that LV for those who like to do astro/macro-photography and other applications in which LV is a useful feature. As always, we'll have to wait and see what the future holds...

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As Sony don't have a reputation for noise performance, and I don't see any push for that, I don't think it is a reason for dropping LV. Again the argument is other manufacturers have done it without any negative impact as far as I'm aware.

Now, could they do lower pixel variations, of course they can. But I think they might give it A800 series name. They can't use a bigger number than A900 as that implies more, not less of something. Also I don't think they will launch a flagship, and then say quickly "here's one that is even better". So I think anything else they might bring out in the near future will be lower placed.

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A800 would be a good name as well, as long as it's FF.

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Well, obviously it'll be above the A700, and below A900 :p Even if you can't line them up directly, both Nikon and Canon have lower and higher end FF cameras. So there's still a potential gap they can fill in that space. But will they pimp an A700 or put the A900 on a diet to get it?

I guess related to that, what would they call the A700 replacement? A700 mk2 is safe but boring. A750 maybe? A800 would imply a bigger jump.

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Does the A900 have a built-in flash?

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Thomas wrote:
Does the A900 have a built-in flash?


Nope.

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No, all large pentaprism in the camera's head. :D

I'm still wondering what lenses are coming up. Sony has a white telephoto fixed lens as a prototype, and some say it's 200mm f/2, I hope it will be 300mm f/4. The 300mm f/2.8 is out of my league still, even though I said the same about the 70-200mm f/2.8 before I decided to start saving...
And some more Zeiss glass would be nice, fixed focal length lenses, wide preferably. Hope we'll see more at Photokina. :)

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D700 has it (the large prism + flash) :)

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