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Until I got the Sony camera items, the only Orange Box I had was from Valve :D I do have a mobile phone on the Orange network if that counts?

I believe the Samsung DSLRs are variations of Pentax models.

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Yes, all Minolta AF lenses from since 1985 are compatible with all Alpha cameras without adapter.
The lenses Rokkor MD-MC before AF system 1985 need adapter for Alpha cameras, but this have not AF.


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Orange is indeed my country's national colour, but that didn't convince me to buy an Alpha :) . The specs, the looks and my history with Sony did.
I must say though, I really do like the way Sony uses the orange colour and Alpha-logo in their ads and convention stands. I visited a photography convention last year here in Holland, and Sony's stand was by far, by not just miles, but by lightyears :) , the best looking of them all. Huge, first of all, like 8 or 10 times as big as Nikon's stand (that is NOT an overstatement, it's true) and it just looked great with the whole Alpha-theme. Plus, there were lots of Alpha DSLRs to be tried out, as well as lenses, grips and Cyber Shot point&shoots/hybrids.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:40 am 
I think the sony and Nikon camera's are the most attractive to look at, i think canon could have put a bit more effort in.

Looks are a small reason why I would buy a camera but I guess its more important to get a camera with good results.


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tobywuk wrote:
I think the sony and Nikon camera's are the most attractive to look at, i think canon could have put a bit more effort in.

The Canon 1Ds MkIII is a pretty camera! I don't like the design of, say, the 40D though. Personal taste, that is. Others may love it, just like others may hate the design of the A700.
Of course looks is only a reason for buying a camera. Handling, however, which is part of the design, is very important, as well as the way the camera feels in your hand.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:02 am 
Interesting article in the September edition of Digital Camera magazine.

They tested the a200, a350 & a700 with both the 18-70 and cz16-80. They tested at 100, 400 and 1600 ISO, with both lenses the a200 came out on top and to quote them.

a200+16-80 100 ISO
"With a good lens at a low ISO, the a200's image quality is as good as it gets, despite the camera's modest aspirations"

a200+16-80 400 ISO
"At ISO 400 there is visable noise, but it's quite subtle and perfebtly acceptable. The detail is still excellent"

a200+16-80 1600 ISO
"Here the a200's image quality has clearly worsened, but it's still perfectly acceptable for available light photograhphy"

Their overall view was that the a200/16-80 combination was the most tempting combination and that 10+ megapixel sensors are at or near the optical limits of lens technology.

Which makes you wonder, should camera manufacturers keep upping the megapixels of thier cameras or spend more time improving/adding to the features of cameras aroung the 10 megapixel mark. I feel it is a bit in the marketing/perception, some people will always want more megapixels.


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Thanks for the heads-up on the article, it surprises me somewhat that the a200 comes out on top. Also, I would assume that better optics would support higher pixel count, in terms of resolving capabilities, rather than showing optical limits with the demanding 10+mp technology. Perhaps not in the high ISO ranges, but that would be due to noisy crowded sensors rather than optical limits.

Perhaps of more general interest:
Concerning high ISO results of the A700 (the often called water color effect), there is a lot of difference in how RAW-processor handle the A700 files (especially ACR is 'notorious'). With the right choice of processor, better results can be easily achieved.

Photoclub Alpha has some very interesting articles on that here and here

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Without seeing the article, it's hard to comment. But I wonder if the lower resolution of the A200 was what swung it? If they were looking at 100% crops then I'd imagine it'll look best simply because it will take less detail. Higher resolution will show up ever more imperfections at that scale.

Certainly the more pixel density you have, the more important optical quality becomes. I guess if there was a limit, then you could settle on a certain lens quality. As pixel density increases, the demands of the lens will continue to rise, and no doubt the costs will too. On that note, I'd have to assume they're talking about 10MP in APS-C sensor size. The 24MP FF of the A900 has a pixel density slightly higher than the A200 but less than the A700, so if this holds then it should do well too.

Personally I have no IQ problems with the A350 + 16-80, although I'd like a faster computer before I got even more megapixels.

Random thought, what MP would you have if you took a typical compact sensor but made it in FF size? I'll work it out later :)

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On that note, I'd have to assume they're talking about 10MP in APS-C sensor size. The 24MP FF of the A900 has a pixel density slightly higher than the A200 but less than the A700, so if this holds then it should do well too.


They did say they choose one maker to minimise differences. It was not a which Sony is best test, they wanted to test 3 cameras with the same size sensor, but with different megapixel's and different quality lenses.

Also interesting, at 100 ISO both the 18-70 and 16-80 on the a200 & a350 scored 5/5. Both only scored 4/5 on the a700.

Shame they did not try it with the 16-105 as well.


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Wow, suprising results from that test, both the A200 and A350 kick the A700's bottom!
I'm still a little too tired to understand your posts now, haven't been up that long...

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