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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:24 am 
Woah, I had a chance to play with this camera today with the grip attached and I have got to say it is awesome. My favorite thing about it is the fact that when you have it turned to the portrait position you have all the controls on the grip and the screen is turned the right way.

I would almost buy this with the grip and a Carl Zeiss 16-80mm if I had the cash by the time I upgrade but more than likely I won't. I would love to be able to use this though.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:39 pm 
A interesting link...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=25565283

A700 Vs Mark III...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:20 pm 
Digital Photography Review (dpreview) blocks references to Camera Labs. Given the fact that dpreview is the competition, maybe we could make an effort not to link to them? It's really a question of being fair to Gordon. Just a thought.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:39 am 
Yeah why does dpreview block this site, I don't understand it. Others aren't blocked but oh well. I'm on those forums all the time too but don't really like the whole infighting when it should all just be about the pictures. Gordon did you talk smack to the wrong person at a trade show or something :wink:


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Yeah why does dpreview block this site, I don't understand it...

In my personal opinion it is small-minded and led by misguided commercialism. Perhaps Gordon should be flattered that such sites are so afraid of losing readers to CameraLabs that they impose censorship. It would be simple bad manners if any of us were to be constantly posting to links off-site when equivalent or better content is available here and Gordon is to be applauded for recognising that, as a friendly community, we don't abuse his hospitality.

Since I became aware of the fact that some sites block links to CameraLabs and other "competitors" (and long before I became a moderator) I stopped linking to those sites. Fortunately the same content is usually to be found elsewhere so links, when appropriate, can still be used.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:55 am 
Turns out DPReview censors not only posts linking to other camera websites but anything really. I found a thread on DPReview itself where a person complained when his post got deleted. It was post on democracy so it was kind of ironic.

As far as I know, Gordon gets the reviews out much quicker than any of the other review sites so I don't see why there should be links to their reviews. Linking to specific forum threads is a different issue I guess.


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Hi ChiSoxFan, dpreview blocks many sites including Cameralabs.

It's not just dpreview though - some of the other biggies also do it and only link to each other. It's really a closing of ranks. Internet publishing has certainly become much more competitive in recent years and there's little of the friendly linking which used to go on in the early days!

I'm just happy to publish reviews of key cameras in a timely fashion and to have a friendly and helpful forum. I think we've got a great community here and thank all of you for keeping it that way.

Gordon


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Gordon Laing wrote:
I'm just happy to publish reviews of key cameras in a timely fashion and to have a friendly and helpful forum. I think we've got a great community here and thank all of you for keeping it that way.

Gordon


And that's exactly why I've been coming here more and more often since I found this site the last few months. The biggest differentiator for me are the great lens reviews which I'm still shocked dpreview doesn't have. What's the point of doing good accurate reviews on expensive DSLR investments if you're not giving those same readers the capability to get the most out of that body with a proper lens?

I'm in sales and deal with competitors all the time. My biggest successes came when I realized I can't ignore the competition or berate them, but to acknowledge and embrace them. After that I started winning a much larger percentage of business. I'm sure it's cutthroat with what you do but of all the sites I go to for reviews there are only 4, maybe 5 that I actually trust when making a purchase decision. Right now you and DPReview are the most influential with DCResource a somewhat distant 3rd.

Oh, I took some DRO shots late last week that I think illustrate what I said earlier in the thread about needing a bit more analysis in the review. They're not award winning images by any means but make for some interesting discussion I think. I'll post a new thread on it soon when I get them uploaded for a comparison.


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Hi ChiSoxFan, thanks for your kind words!

I hope to deliver rounded reviews on a variety of cameras, lenses and accessories - yes, some of those coming soon!

I look forward to seeing your DRO examples - as I said earlier, there's only so much we can include in a review, so I always appreciate seeing what others add and suggest.

Speaking of following-up, I've also been taking another look at the A700's RAW files and looking into its non-reversible NR applied at an early stage. If I come up with anything interesting or conclusive, I'll let you know and update the review.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:19 pm 
Gordon Laing wrote:
Hi ChiSoxFan, thanks for your kind words!

I hope to deliver rounded reviews on a variety of cameras, lenses and accessories - yes, some of those coming soon!

I look forward to seeing your DRO examples - as I said earlier, there's only so much we can include in a review, so I always appreciate seeing what others add and suggest.

Speaking of following-up, I've also been taking another look at the A700's RAW files and looking into its non-reversible NR applied at an early stage. If I come up with anything interesting or conclusive, I'll let you know and update the review.

Gordon


I just got them uploaded and will post them here shortly. You're right about the RAW files as I've been reading a bit on that but some of it is a bit over my head from a technical perspective. Here's what I've heard in the last few weeks. When first released there was word that the sensor was actually doing NR on chip that could not be turned off and this would also apply to RAW files. Then I read some info from pretty technical folks saying that it wasn't NR like what we think of with Neat Image or typical in camera NR. They were saying something like it's per-pixel noise reduction (whatever that means) and not something that would be destructive to an image like regular NR. Not sure if I'm describing this properly. I'll look around to see if I can find what I'm referring to.


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Hey Gordon,

Thanks again for the A700 review. Before I read it, I knew I was going to buy the camera already, but your words provided confirmation. I'm still saving (it's quite expensive here in the Netherlands), but I hope to buy it soon.

By the way, the reason I haven't recieved e-mails turned out to be simple. It was a typing error in my address :oops: . Sorry for that.

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Hi Bjorn, glad to have you on board! Welcome to the forums and we look forward to hearing what you think of your A700 soon!

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I'm also looking foward to my opinion of the A700, but we'll have to wait for that about 130 days still. I'm going on a school trip to Finland in 150 days, and I want to have the A700 a few weeks before so I can get to know it. In the mean while, I will try to post most of the news I ready about the camera or lenses.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:55 pm 
Yes, thanks Gordon for doing the review on the A700. Clear and to the point. And including the video clip is great.

While the A700 is getting great reviews online I do have gripes. I find the AF motor MUCH TOO LOUD. Making the A700 sound "toy like". Though, I suppose I could get used to it. That and I haven't heard the A700 focusing with a G series lens (SSM AF lens motor). Wonder how much of a difference it's motor will make in terms of noise.

I was told that the G series Minolta lens (or was it the rebranded Sony G lenses) made a "best ever made" list. Found in a German magazine. Is this true? Does any one know where I can find this list?

I think the add-on grip is ugly. Sticks out like a sore thumb. Doesn't hae that intergrated look. As you see in the Nikon and Canon vertical grips.

Don't think I'd buy the grip if I go with the A700 (over the Nikon D300).

Lastly, I wished the A700's shutter release sounded more solid and confidence inspiring. Here the Canon 40D and Nikon D300 betters the A700 IMHO. In addition to offering lenses that sound almost dead silent in comparison (those with their proprietary lens AF motors).

Hopefully Gordon will hurry and review the 70-200 f/2.8 G series lens on a A700. Will be interesting to see how this lens performs in Gordon's tests and how much quieter a G series lens is (versus lets say the noisy DT lenses).

Does any one know if the A700 remapps bad pixels? I think some one said the A100 does.

Thanks.


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